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1. d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:11:03 JST d
   clown show
   
   israeli armored vehicles tend to be heavy as fuck because they put stupid amounts of armor on everything, and that complicates moving it around
   
   does israel have a fleet of heavy transport trailers or are they just putting armor on regular lowboy trailers and hoping for the best? kinda looks like the latter to me
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:11:02 JST d

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     • Gerfand
     @Gerfand the merkava is almost as heavy as the latest abrams. 65 long tons = 71.5 short tons; the newest abrams is like 73 short tons. but even if it wasn't quite that heavy it wouldn't matter, you can't carry 50+ short ton loads on a regular lowboy, you need special equipment for it. the abrams is so heavy now that the US Army's heavy equipment transport system, specifically designed to transport the abrams in its original 60 short ton spec, can barely handle it
     
     but I'm not really talking about the merkava. their APCs are *extremely* heavy, all 45-55 long tons except the M113, which they don't like because it's not invincible. their APCs are as heavy as a T-72, twice the weight of a Bradley. so they all require special transport (or rail), instead of just needing special stuff for the tanks and being able to use lighter vehicles for APCs
     
     note that when I say you "can't" carry these loads on regular lowboys, I don't mean it's literally impossible. obviously a tank or heavy ass APC can be put on the trailer and dragged around. but the US Army didn't develop HETS out of boredom and relying on civilian gear like the Israelis evidently plan to do is going to lead to significant failures in transporting armor in a timely manner
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   • Crux_Invictus (crux_invictus@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:11:02 JST Crux_Invictus

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     @deprecated_ii @Gerfand Now hang on there pardner, you're telling me there are different types of tons now?
   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:11:03 JST Gerfand

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     @deprecated_ii Its not that Merkava is heavy I'm pretty sure Latest greatets of the western tanks like Abrams, Challenger and Leopard are all 10 to 20 tons heavier, the problem is mostly:
     Front engine = no counter balance for the armor
     Rushed job since panick mode
     
     That image from 2006 with one flipped is basically that, Tank was loaded incorrectly and on a turn or something the Tank just fell.
     
     If anything this is more a reason to why front engined Tanks don't work and Merkava is a bad tank (their idea is mostly to get people from the front if they are injured but that competes with ammo)
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:11:11 JST Machismo

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     @Crux_Invictus @Gerfand @deprecated_ii Which is heavier, a ton of gold or a ton of feathers?
   • Dan_Hulson (dan_hulson@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:11:57 JST Dan_Hulson

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     @Zerglingman @Crux_Invictus @Gerfand @deprecated_ii they both a ton mate
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   • Crux_Invictus (crux_invictus@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:12:09 JST Crux_Invictus

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     @Zerglingman @Gerfand @deprecated_ii
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   • Christmas_Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:19:58 JST Christmas_Man

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     • Gerfand
     If measuring in tons, then like system is assumed and they weigh the same. Only once you hit oz and lbs does gold get the troy treatment.
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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:20:31 JST Machismo

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     @Dan_Hulson @deprecated_ii @Gerfand @Crux_Invictus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_ton
   • احمدابن محمد الخيام (sysrq@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:22:05 JST احمدابن محمد الخيام

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     @Zerglingman @Dan_Hulson @Crux_Invictus @Gerfand @deprecated_ii
     There're fuckton of tons
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:22:32 JST Machismo

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     • احمدابن محمد الخيام
     @sysrq @deprecated_ii @Gerfand @Dan_Hulson @Crux_Invictus Because fuck you, says English.
   • احمدابن محمد الخيام (sysrq@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:23:20 JST احمدابن محمد الخيام

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     @Zerglingman @Crux_Invictus @Dan_Hulson @Gerfand @deprecated_ii
     :niggainsane:
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   • Christmas_Man (christmas_man@thebag.social)'s status on Monday, 09-Oct-2023 17:24:16 JST Christmas_Man

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     But back to the original question, though, there are three types of ton: short ton at 2000lb, long ton at 2240lb, and the metric tonne at 1000kg.
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   • Gerfand (gerfand@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Oct-2023 16:44:13 JST Gerfand

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     @Zerglingman @Dan_Hulson @Crux_Invictus @deprecated_ii Artilhery
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