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1. d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 09:20:55 JST d
   no, and we can't do that either
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   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:02 JST d

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     • Poast Oak
     and it has become clear that college doesn't actually lead to the promised land
     
     if I was empowered to get people back into factories, by which I mean I could run a propaganda machine and set wages and everything, like the king of manufacturing in America, I don't think it would be hard *at all* to do it. the opposition would be mostly from 1) existing companies who are milking contracts with ten billion percent profit margins and 2) government bureaucrats like the EPA, not the workforce itself
     
     I don't care about attracting starbucks queers who think they're too good to lift a wrench; there are plenty of other men who would be happy working in manufacturing, in decent conditions for good pay
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:02 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     The fact that Lego is the most successful company in the toy aisle says there’s plenty of young folks who would be pretty satisfied just zoning in and assembling widgets

   • PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:03 JST PunishedD

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     @deprecated_ii @poastoak I don't believe it's that easy. We've had 3-4 generations of propaganda telling parents and students that college was the way to money, success, "getting out of the hood", an easy life, an extra $1 million in lifetime income, etc. You aren't going to get the English majors seething as baristas in Starbucks to work an assembly line by having a celebrity smear grease on their face and pose in front of a factory.
     
     Over half of millennials went to college. Zoomer numbers aren't in, but they'll probably clear 60%. None of them have any respect for the non-college crowd, and most of them already hate any job outside of a cubicle.
     
     Imagine a factory shift manager trying to keep the line going with a quarter of his employees demanding days off for mental health.
   • PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:04 JST PunishedD

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     @deprecated_ii @poastoak It might change doctrine, but changing industrial policy requires kicking half a generation out of college and into blue collar factory work.
     
     You'll get a 3 term Bernie Sanders administration before you get that.
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:04 JST d

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     • Poast Oak
     a few years of pro-blue collar propaganda and good pay and you won't need to kick anyone out of college
     
     but there needs to be a large enough and obvious enough failure that the people in charge *have to be* replaced, and replaced again, until someone competent is in charge
     
     most major wars see a lot of turnover out of necessity. people point to Russia firing generals as if it's a bad thing, but that's a sign of good health in an organization
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:08 JST d

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     • Poast Oak
     until we have a war where we're seriously bloodied, nothing is going to change
   • Poast Oak (poastoak@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:09 JST Poast Oak

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     Nobody gives a shit. NAVSEA has been screaming about this since the 00s, war college nerds have been writing their theses on how to fix it, nothing has been done, nothing is being done now, and nothing will be done.
     
     Its joever.
   • Poast Oak (poastoak@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 28-Sep-2023 11:32:09 JST Poast Oak

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     What can even be done? DoD does not have the requisite authority to correct industrial policy and even if they did it would require total bureaucrat death as almost everything DoD has been able to affect worked to the exact opposite aim here, and all those guys and their proteges are still embedded within the department.