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CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:04:24 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating
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@Fash-E @zero >card that lets you draw two cards
>most OP and unbalanced shit in the game

This is how I know Yugioh is fucking retarded.

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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:05:53 JST Machismo
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  @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zero @Fash-E It's because YGO has no cost system so it's just free card advantage + deck thin.
  With no dupe limit it basically makes deck size irrelevant (AFAIK there is a dupe limit in YGO, presumably 4).
  
  In MtG where you have to pay mana for draw, it's not as OP, but it still gets treated as the most OP and unbalanced shit in the game anyway because MUH CERD ERDVERNTEGE
  
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- CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:09:28 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating
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  @Zerglingman @Fash-E @zero Yeah, in actually good games there's some sort of cost to play cards.
  
  In Netrunner (asymmetric card game), the first card costs the runner effectively 1/4th of a turn to play. It's still good, but not everyone runs it.
  
  The second card costs the corp 1/3 of a turn to play. It's considered hot garbage, I've never seen it played.
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:09:55 JST supersid
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  @Zerglingman @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E @zero Yugioh is max 3 per card, with the banlist limiting some cards to only 2 or even 1 copies.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:13:16 JST Machismo
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  @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zero @Fash-E I don't think MtG's mana system is very good though, just because manascrew/flood is a thing that can happen.
  WS doesn't have a cost system and AFAIK it doesn't have anything absurd, because it doesn't really have instants. But I haven't looked at it much since blah blah most anime sucks.
  I think Dragonball TCG's system is fantastic and everybody should copy it.
  
  I find it interesting that 3 cards is considered poor, but I guess if you have a hardcap on number of actions then it's not worth so much. But presumably you could still run a weenies-type deck where it would be better?
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:14:43 JST Machismo
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  @supersid333 @zero @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E Does YGO have rarity? It always seemed, to me, to be obvious that MtG should do 3/2/1 dupes for common/uncommon/rare and up. P3T does this, but AFAIK P3T was made by a friend of a friend so I doubt most people know about it. (Also tbh I don't like everything else about it, it's just that that's good.)
  
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:14:50 JST supersid
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  @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zerglingman @Fash-E @zero I like Yugioh because it doesn't feature conventional costs. It's what makes it different from every other game on the market.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:15:39 JST Machismo
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  @supersid333 @zero @Fash-E @ceo_of_monoeye_dating Vanguard? WS? And that's just from the games I know about; eg. I don't know anything about L5R, though I suspect it does have "normal" costs.
  
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- CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:15:56 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating
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  @supersid333 @Zerglingman @Fash-E @zero The existence of OTK decks - and their prevalence - is an extreme design flaw. Exodia is the iconic Yugioh card, and it literally says "if you're holding these cards, you just fucking win."
  
  The possibility of winning on the very first turn would be considered a design flaw in any other game. In Yugioh it's just the game, and that's shit.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:16:09 JST Machismo
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  @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zero @Fash-E @supersid333 v i n t a g e
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:17:44 JST Machismo
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  @zero @supersid333 @Fash-E @ceo_of_monoeye_dating Which reminds me, there is a 0-turn win in vintage. As in "even if the opponent plays first, you can kill them before they end their turn".
  
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- CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:18:49 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating
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  @Zerglingman @Fash-E @zero WS has a cost system, it's just kinda subtle - you do a lot of punching yourself to get cards. It's good, but nobody plays it because weebs.
  
  >I find it interesting that 3 cards is considered poor
  
  Actually, it's because of how Netrunner works for the corp. Drawing cards is often considered bad, and drawing *three* cards is a situation that can easily end up with you drawing your agendas - which can assfuck you badly, because "agendas in hand" = "opponent has a chance to just win the fucking game."
  
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:18:59 JST supersid
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  @Zerglingman @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E @zero I never played Vanguard but I guess WS does deviate from the mold a bit. Doesn't change the fact that the TCG market is full of games that riff off of Magic's design. Hell one of my friends tried to drag me into Force of Will back in the day.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:19:15 JST Machismo
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  @supersid333 @zero @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E Oh yeah that reminds me, I don't think FaB has a cost system. I haven't looked very closely at it though.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:21:05 JST Machismo
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  @supersid333 @zero @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E Vanguard's only real limit on what you can play is the grade of your vanguard, which can increase 0-1 each turn, up to a max of 3 (from 0 initial).
  
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:21:52 JST supersid
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  @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Zerglingman @Fash-E @zero Every FTK still in the game is bricky and convoluted. They usually lose and 9 times out of 10 you're rooting for your opponent when they start going off on one of them.
  
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- CEO of Monoeye Dating (ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:21:55 JST CEO of Monoeye Dating
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  @Zerglingman @supersid333 @Fash-E @zero Having briefly considered playing FaB, the "cost system" appears to come straight out of your wallet. :smug1:
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:21:58 JST Machismo
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  @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zero @supersid333 @Fash-E >TCGs
  
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:22:04 JST supersid
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  @Zerglingman @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E @zero The Yugioh GX anime features a scene where an antagonist ZTK's his opponent by reflecting his opponent's attempt to FTK him.
  
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:23:05 JST supersid
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  @Zerglingman @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E @zero Rarity only effects how hard cards are to get lol, though there is the ever funny Common Charity format where decks can only run Common's that Konami started running tournaments for.
  
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- Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:23:26 JST Iska
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  @zero@strelizia.net yugioh can be fun if you play off-meta with jank decks.
  I remember building my own trash cyber jar deck.
  the real problem with yugioh are negates
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:23:29 JST Machismo
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  @supersid333 @zero @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E Pauper, MtG's exact equivalent, is also a stupid format because no rotation kek
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:25:04 JST Machismo
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  @zero @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @Fash-E @supersid333 Also in MtG cards can be printed in different rarities in different sets. It makes sense, but also it makes everything painful if you ever try to use them for anything, like say, sorting.
  
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- supersid (supersid333@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:25:31 JST supersid
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  @Zerglingman @Fash-E @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zero Master Duel has it's own equivalent in N/R format (MD has it's own rarity system) and that one is fun in different ways.
  
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- Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Monday, 18-Sep-2023 19:31:24 JST Iska
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  @zero@strelizia.net negates don't let you have fun which is worse than watching if you survive to the next turn.
  OTKs are inconsistent anyway and 90% of them need you to go second, letting the first player build his defense.
  
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