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1. Walt Mossberg (waltmossberg@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 07-Sep-2023 18:54:12 JST Walt Mossberg

   1/2 I have deactivated my account on Twitter (X), which began in 2007. Under Elon Musk, Twitter has not only decided to stop blocking bigots and liars and pro-insurrectionists, it has actively welcomed them, with apparent support from Mr. Musk.

   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Thursday, 07-Sep-2023 18:54:04 JST Token

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     @waltmossberg The ADL is hated here in Israel, too. I wish they never existed.
   • Walt Mossberg (waltmossberg@mastodon.world)'s status on Thursday, 07-Sep-2023 18:54:11 JST Walt Mossberg

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     2/2 I had already cut my participation there by 90%. But Musk’s latest move, to threaten to ban and sue the ADL - to the delight of antisemites and other haters - is the last straw for me.

   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Thursday, 07-Sep-2023 19:25:48 JST Token

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     • moomin
     @moomin @waltmossberg We got 'em good in that event, eh? Never stood a chance. So much for a global superpower.
   • moomin (moomin@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 07-Sep-2023 19:25:49 JST moomin

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     • Token
     have you heard of the USS Libtard?
   • moomin (moomin@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 07-Sep-2023 22:08:05 JST moomin

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     • Token
     shhh post only khazar milkers
   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:25:38 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @waltmossberg @mike @Mastodon I appreciate the feedback. The notice doesn't say you can't, it tells you how to do it. That notice has been reworked in the latest beta, as visible on mastodon.social—curious to know if you'd consider that an improvement.

   • Walt Mossberg (waltmossberg@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:25:39 JST Walt Mossberg

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @mike @Gargron @Mastodon …here’s an example of the complexity here: I just tried to react to a post about my leaving Twitter, and was met with a big notice saying I couldn’t do that because I wasn’t logged into the server where it lived. I thought all the posts and replies were interchangeable among servers.

   • Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:25:40 JST Mike McCue

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mastodon

     @waltmossberg This speaks volumes, Walt. X is indeed a cesspool and your leadership here will have a big impact.

     This is an existential moment for the web and the concept of open standards like #ActivityPub

     Thankfully @Gargron has labored for years to create a viable approach that could form the foundation for an open social web. And many here are working to make the user experience simpler and more approachable for mainstream users.

     Your presence on @Mastodon is incredibly important now.

   • Walt Mossberg (waltmossberg@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:25:40 JST Walt Mossberg

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @mike @Gargron @Mastodon Thanks, Mike. I’ve been on Mastodon quite awhile, as you know. But I rarely used it, because (a) it can be confounding to use (yes, I can figure it all out, but you know I favor things average folks can grok quickly) and (b) content moderation matters hugely to me and I need to know what the policies are for multiple servers and who is responsible….

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:36:01 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @waltmossberg @mike @Mastodon Yes. Your account is on mastodon.world. You are conversing with me, whose account is on mastodon.social, and Mike, whose is on flipboard.social. Totally separate infrastructure, but your post just pops up in my notifications.

   • Walt Mossberg (waltmossberg@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:36:02 JST Walt Mossberg

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @Gargron @mike @Mastodon I’ll let you know what I think when I see it. I don’t use betas. But, just by your description, it sounds like a chore. Please understand I’m not denigrating all your hard work here, but after 27 years of reviewing tech products for average people, I react poorly to requiring instructions for simple tasks. Are conversations and reactions here between people on different servers interchangeable or not?

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:42:56 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @waltmossberg @mike @Mastodon Presumably you opened a post on its original website, which was not the same website where your account is. That website has no idea who you are. The notice gives you a pointer how to open the same post in your own website where you are logged in. You can navigate to mastodon.social and try interacting with any post to see what the new notice looks like.

   • Walt Mossberg (waltmossberg@mastodon.world)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 05:42:57 JST Walt Mossberg

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @Gargron @mike @Mastodon So then why did I get that big ugly notice before? I can’t recall to whom I was trying to respond or what server they were on. As you can imagine, I’m getting a lot of traffic from people I don’t know or follow because of my decision to ditch Twitter. I assume I can easily respond to any of them.

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 06:06:50 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • N.N. Scott

     @nnscott @waltmossberg How does it happen for you? You have to deliberately click on "Open original page" in the dropdown of a post to land on another website from any part of the app. I would have imagined that most people land on the wrong website through links shared on other channels like Telegram or Discord, not their Mastodon interface.

   • N.N. Scott (nnscott@cityofchicago.live)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 06:07:21 JST N.N. Scott

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @waltmossberg @Gargron
     Having used Mastodon for several months, my experience: It lacks the Twitter rush of virality & feel of all being in one "place." By far the biggest bump was what Eugen said: I'd follow someone from my "federated" timeline to their account on another instance, reply to a post & get bonked. After a few times, the steps to follow them on my instance & reply there became second nature. It does have a bit of a 1992-Usenet feel to it. People will respond differently to that.

   • Dominic Hopton (grork@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 06:34:33 JST Dominic Hopton

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Mike McCue
     • Mastodon

     @Gargron @waltmossberg @mike @Mastodon there really needs to be a better solution here than ‘type your URL’. I don’t know what that is - some sort of identity cookie that does a redirect?

     It’s much better in ‘apps’, like ivory, when you have it bounce into the app using universal links / extension.

   • StephaneHuart (stephanehuart@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 06:57:07 JST StephaneHuart

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • N.N. Scott

     @Gargron @nnscott @waltmossberg It happened to me multiple times when someone add a link to another post on another instance inside his own post (as a workaround to quote someone else toot). when you click the link (or the preview) you are sent to the original poster website that can be another instance. There you get the banner if you want to interact with him. I have to admit I was a bit surprised by that at the begining.

   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 15:29:18 JST Token

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     • Eyal 🏳️‍🌈
     @EyalD Just knowing the history of how it came to be and the work they do. It's only destroying the good will people have towards Jews. It's more harm than good.
   • Eyal 🏳️‍🌈 (eyald@tooot.im)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 15:29:23 JST Eyal 🏳️‍🌈

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     • Token

     @coin

     Is it? How come?

     @waltmossberg

   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 16:31:03 JST Token

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     • Eyal 🏳️‍🌈
     @EyalD Yeah, why wouldn't I?
   • Eyal 🏳️‍🌈 (eyald@tooot.im)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 16:31:04 JST Eyal 🏳️‍🌈

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     • Token

     @coin

     So let me get this straight. Instead of criticizing people for basing their opinions of Jews and Judaism on the actions of some organization, you’re criticizing that organization?

   • Token (coin@asimon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 16:53:15 JST Token

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     • Eyal 🏳️‍🌈
     @EyalD You're may be missing my point. I'm criticizing a company so if you want to make an equivalent to the Israel it would be the our Government, which I also have many criticisms of. That's besides the point.
     
     Read how the ADL came to be. It's an interesting story, and in my opinion, should be disbanded just because of that alone. They screwed up right from the get go as being pedophile murderer's defenders when they weren't even his lawyer, just helpers in his scheme to accuse an innocent black man is abhorrent.
     
     I betting on you saying it was wrong that Leo was lynched later on. To that I say: Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
     You need to understand that the ADL is working under different foundations. It's in the US which is built on freedoms, like, for example: Freedom of Speech.
     Their whole shtick of hate speech and censoring it, doesn't work. It's un-American. They're trying turn words of criticisms as being antisemitic, instead of learning from it.
     
     If they want to fight real antisemitism, they should go for the physical stuff that happen. I'm sure that happens.
   • Eyal 🏳️‍🌈 (eyald@tooot.im)'s status on Friday, 08-Sep-2023 16:53:16 JST Eyal 🏳️‍🌈

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     • Token

     @coin

     It’s like saying the state of Israel is doing more wrong than good for the goodwill towards Jews. Thinking that Israel = Jews is antisemitic.