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1. Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Friday, 01-Sep-2023 04:50:47 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

   The ACLU was wrong when they supported nazis, and the EFF is wrong when they support KF. There are some people you just don't go to bat for, and the mere idea of a "slippery slope" is not more important than actual lives in danger.

   • Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Friday, 01-Sep-2023 04:50:45 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

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     Ideas are important.
     People are more important. Always.

   • Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Friday, 01-Sep-2023 04:50:46 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

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     I support the ACLU and the EFF on most things, but these are examples of why you have to temper your support, even for people and organizations you usually align with.

     Aral Balkan repeated this.
   • Jens Finkhäuser (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Saturday, 02-Sep-2023 15:14:06 JST Jens Finkhäuser

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     @fraying I feel generally speaking, it becomes more obvious in recent years (maybe just to me), how liberalism and anarchism, while both being about personal choice and freedom, differ how one comes from a place of privilege, while the other comes from the opposite end of that spectrum.

     EFF, and also the larger FOSS community, seem to have sprung up around liberal ideals, and are struggling to understand the non-privileged point of view.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Saturday, 02-Sep-2023 15:18:59 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Jens Finkhäuser

     @jens @fraying This matches my own experience; especially with folks from the US but also here in the EU.

     (Not to mention that a huge chunk of FOSS – the OSS bit – is concerned with building tools for enterprises, not everyday people, and could really care less about issues of human rights or democracy.)