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1. Why (Bloomed & Unhanced) (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:10:40 JST Why (Bloomed & Unhanced)
   um yikes sweaty
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:10:38 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @why Open world was clearly a wide eyed dream, perhaps once upon a time when you could actually somewhat stand doing nothing in particular in a game
     
     But now it's mostly a bad pacing meme where you'll end up doing nothing for most of it, and randomly generated static caves like in oblivion where there's absolutely no reasons to visit any of them as they have nothing of worth in them
     
     Go back to smaller well designed innovative games. All these veteran game makers and they might as well have nobodies at the helm
   • Why (Bloomed & Unhanced) (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:10:39 JST Why (Bloomed & Unhanced)

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     when the open world craze was at its peak (and i was young and dumb) i really wanted a game where you could have multiple planets to visit. mass effect mako was blue balls, i wanted the WHOLE planet and also ALL the planets.
     if ~14 year old me saw this he would tism rage and seethe. i still think its dumb but im gonna cope. no mans sky has whole planet exploration but fails to have effective gameplay that really requires the setting. outer wilds does planets perfectly, but at 1/5000th scale and only one solar system. filling 1000 planets with meaningful POIs on the whole surface is not only impossible but would end up outright unplayable if you were compelled to visit all of it. its a korok seed dilemma: there needs to be enough for the player to find them frequently, but some players want to find them all and end up resenting the game. some already hate starfield for boasting the size of the game, and those same people hate the game for not letting you circumnavigate the entire empty planet.
   • Why (Bloomed & Unhanced) (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:36:52 JST Why (Bloomed & Unhanced)

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     @coolboymew yeah pacing in open world sucks. im sure the scaling in starfield will be extremely wack, bethesda has always struggled with that. these reports of "it really picks up 100 hours in" make me curious they could have some new hidden solution to this, but im gonna remain skeptical lol
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:36:52 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @why oof
     
     OOOOF
     
     That sounds exceedingly bad TBQH
     
     "BRO YOU HAVE TO PLAY 60 HOURS OF MONSTER HUNTER BEFORE IT GETS GOOD" but this time I really believe none of it
   • AngryWraith (angrywraith@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:38:08 JST AngryWraith

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     @coolboymew @why 🍶
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:41:01 JST givenup

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     @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why trust me bro, the game gets better after you spend enough time dulling oyur mind until it's the consistancy of paste.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:43:37 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @givenup @AngryWraith @why Just think about it, 130 fucking hours
     
     In 105 hours I finished Dragon Quest 7 on PS1. A game people COMPLAINS about
     
     In 130 hours I 100% Dragon Quest 11 S on Hard and beat the final, final, final, final, final boss
     
     In 130 hours I nearly did all the quests in Xenoblade 3
     
     130 hours for the game to "really get going" is insane
   • Why (Bloomed & Unhanced) (why@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:43:43 JST Why (Bloomed & Unhanced)

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     @coolboymew yeah it sounds awful i cant wait to put 200 hours into the game
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:43:48 JST givenup

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     @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why tbh most paradox games take around 200 frustrating hours of figuring shit out till it actually becomes fun it's wild.
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:45:06 JST givenup

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     @coolboymew @AngryWraith @why i agree it's dumb an rpg should be fun to play out hte gate, or at least give you an idea that things might get fun if oyu lvl up a little bit and get some ksills or something
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:51:51 JST Christi Junior

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     @coolboymew @AngryWraith @givenup @why I mean, this shouldn't even need to be said. I've never played an actually good game that took even 20 hours to "finally get good". Some people claim that about Xenoblade 2, but they're just full of shit, that had me hooked by the end of Chapter 1, it just means they hate anime and only started to understand the combat system at the 20 hour mark. I'd say Tales of Vesperia has a significantly worse opening, but that doesn't make it a "takes 20 hours to get good" game either.
     
     130 hours is absurd, at that point it's straight up the gaming equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:53:49 JST givenup

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     @ChristiJunior @coolboymew @AngryWraith @why i agree a game hooks you fast or you put it down, so the game must be dogshit if they're trying to say "it gets better after oyu beat it" lol
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:56:19 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @givenup @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why At a minimum it has to be good throughout the game while being great postgame. I'm not a fan of frontloading everything for game journos and ADHD streamers who'll never finish it, but the game has to be good enough to keep you engaged throughout.
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:58:02 JST Christi Junior

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     @givenup @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why Good games, even those that genuinely start slow, will show clear signs of quality, and provide a sense that they're building up to something more exciting.
     
     If I'm to take the "130 hours to get good" claim seriously, you're not so much experiencing a buildup as watching the paint dry.
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:58:08 JST givenup

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     @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why yea a consistently enjoyable experience would be nice, but that's asking a lot from the shits we got making games these days.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 10:59:21 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @givenup @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why There's plenty of good classic games that are easy to emulate. No reason to settle for dogshit.
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:02:15 JST givenup

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     @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why i think when i was a kid, video games were a novel experience, cuz they were really new, and like even a bad game it's like "woah i've never been able to play something like this before" that time is long gone however.
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   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:02:16 JST givenup

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     @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why even people who say this kinda stuff abotu JRPGS or rpgs, it's because the gameplay is not good, But the story hooks them at some point.
   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:02:56 JST givenup

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     @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why sure, i also got a large backlog of ps1 jrpgs i never played or just didn't finish, but i'm not sure i'm dying to go back and do it tbh, at this point in my life i tend to just stick to stuff i've been playing and enjoy and alternate as i burn out.
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   • Edge (edge@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:03:32 JST Edge

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     @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why
     I can understand, and at times forgive, when a game takes a while to open up the mechanics to the player or just starts with too many cut-scenes or too much dialogue. There are good games that fall victim to this.
     Legitimately what the fuck is going on that would need 130 HOURS to establish? What could possibly require that much set up?
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:03:32 JST Christi Junior

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     @ArdainianRight @givenup @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why Ocarina of Time is my model for a perfectly paced game - it manages to keep things interesting from the start with creative dungeon design, a comfy setting and a wonderful sense of adventure while gradually rolling out more and more interesting ideas, items and puzzles. Then it hits you with a major game-changing twist that makes everything way better and more interesting, keeps building and building until the amazing Spirit Temple, then gives you a final pseudo-dungeon that forces you to make use of all the skills and knowledge you learned throughout the game, followed by a truly epic final boss.
     
     It's good from the beginning, but keeps building and getting better from start to finish. Majora's Mask also saves its best temple for last - something I don't think applies to any of the other 3D Zeldas.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:04:03 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight @AngryWraith @givenup @why god, I can't wait for MM's decomp to finish. They're close
   • Psychotic Militant Bitch (silverwolf@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:04:50 JST Psychotic Militant Bitch

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     "It gets better after you beat it" would be fine if the game was fun and engaging from the get go. People 100% games for a reason, usually because they like them. Replayability, multiplayer, freedom to explore and fuck around, all those are great things for a game to have that makes it better after you beat it.
     
     But for it to only be fun AFTER the fact is retarded.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:05:43 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @givenup @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @why
     
     You really should
     
     https://www.shipofharkinian.com
   • givenup (givenup@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:05:44 JST givenup

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     @ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight @AngryWraith @coolboymew @why i've never actually played OOT for more tahn an hour or two, i grew up playing Link to the past on snes tho i love that one, i didn't have a n64 i ended up going with playstation back then.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:05:58 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @coolboymew @givenup @why
     I wouldn't say it's totally perfectly paced, but Xenoblade 1 is an example of a massive JRPG that manages to hook you quickly while still saving plenty of twists.
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:06:24 JST Christi Junior

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     @Edge @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why >Legitimately what the fuck is going on that would need 130 HOURS to establish? What could possibly require that much set up?
     
     Gaming Stockholm Syndrome - I've spent so much fucking time on this game I was super hyped for, that means it HAS to be good and that I'm enjoying it!
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:07:18 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @why I can't fucking believe that you still unlocked new features that long into the game. The strong attack foresight thing absolutely blew my mind
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:07:37 JST xianc78

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     @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @AngryWraith @givenup @coolboymew @why There are also plenty of good games made by smaller devs like me.

     https://xianc78.codeberg.page/downloads/distant-ruins.html

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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:10:05 JST Christi Junior

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     @ArdainianRight @AngryWraith @coolboymew @givenup @why Yeah, as far as JRPGs of that size go, Xenoblade 1 is hard to beat, its major sin would probably be the Rescue Juju arc, but at that point it has already gained enough momentum to easily carry you past that part.
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   • AngryWraith (angrywraith@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:11:55 JST AngryWraith

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     @givenup @coolboymew @why I have a mental illness. Every once in a while I play modernized versions of the old Wizardry games. I'm not nip, but sure as hell I'm a japanese salaryman in some games. *suicide off roof soon*
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   • Mauris02 (mauris02@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:24:59 JST Mauris02

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     @coolboymew @why Open world only works in conjunction with mechanics specifically made for it. Breathe of the wild, red dead 2(in a more limited extend) or minecraft and such games with procedural elements are good examples of that. Otherwise it just becomes meaningless bloat.
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   • Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:29:25 JST Kyonko802

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     @Suzu @why NMS and Starsector are my two favorite space games
   • Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Sunday, 27-Aug-2023 11:29:26 JST Suzu :miku_happy:

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     @why well, there is No Man's Sky.
     Now, I'm not vouching for NMS or saying that it's perfect, specially because I have very limited experience with it (played only for a couple of hours last night).
     
     Some people, including the famous Internet Historian video, say the game got pretty good after the launch and scratches the itch of "exploring an open world galaxy". Other people in the Steam reviews say the game sucks because it gets too repetitive and "samey" over time, but then again, all those people have 250+ hours in the game. If it took them 250 hours to start noticing the repetitiveness, and the game was enticing in this meantime, I guess it's worth it.
     
     For my personal experience in the few hours I've played, the game is fun for chilling out, traveling around and exploring stuff. There are some interesting things, like learning the language of the different species little by little, finding planets coordinates, etc. Now, I agree that maybe this stuff might become too repetitive and maybe "grindy" (I mean, you literally learn the language word by word), but hey, as long as the game throws me some interesting planet biomes, with some surprises and curveballs thrown here and there while I'm looking for the ruins with those dictionaries, then I'm OK with it.
     Biggest problem I can see is that, when compared with Starfield or similar games with handmade quests, quests and locations in NMS might feel too shallow and lacking any intricacy, because adding depth to procedurally generated quests is pretty much hard as fuck (Shadows of Doubt do this at a very small scale and its very rough around the edges).
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     @Kyonko802 @why Starsector is one of my favorite games of all time.
     I was very skeptical with NMS, then I saw that there was a new update a couple days ago introducing a bunch of new stuff, and a friend was praising it, so I for convinced to at least pirate it to test and, so far, I've been having a good time.
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     @coolboymew @givenup @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @why
     No, I don't think I will.
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     @romin @coolboymew @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @givenup @why I had a bookmark to a website that auto-generated github CI downloads for users that don't have accounts. In so doing, you could download e.g. a daily SoH appimage without having to log into github or join a shitcord server. I no longer have the bookmark and I don't know where it went. I'm sorry.
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     @idiot @romin @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @givenup @why the appimage is great, you run it and it works and that's it
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     @idiot @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @coolboymew @givenup @why

     appimage sigh…

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     @romin @AngryWraith @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @coolboymew @givenup @why It's not a particularly pleasant application to build. Maybe I just got unlucky.