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1. billiam :4chan: (billiam@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:44:36 JST billiam :4chan:

   • Alex Gleason
   Is this you, Gleason? @alex
   
   >I am a host for a medium-sized website and I am attempting to automate dealing with the CSAM problem that comes with hosting anything online. Are there any tools out there that provide free and easy access to APIs for verifying images and videos against CSAM databases, or out-right dumps of hashes from CSAM databases? Looking around, I've only been able to find services that require a large amount of pre-approval for use rather than just a simple account. Any pointers would be appreciated.
   
   >Tech I've already looked into:
   >Facebook's ThreatExchange (requires pre-approval)
   >PhotoDNA (requires pre-approval)
   >Cloudflare (actively hostile to self-hosters)
   >NCMEC's Database (requires pre-approval, difficult to get from what i've heard)
   >EOKM HashCheckServer (requires pre-approval, in dutch so very difficult to understand)
   
   https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/95347156#p95348122
   • Santa Noodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:44:33 JST Santa Noodle ☦️

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     • Alex Gleason
     • midway
     @midway @alex @billiam Nobody is happy with a single picture of pretty lady with nice boobs.jpeg forever. How many models start as "tasteful bikini pictures" and a few years later are doing hardcore fetish scenes? How many users of pornography start with disgust towards things that eventually become their fetish? Even if most people would never go down that particular path, some tiny fraction of a percent will. Widespread availability of pornography has absolutely contributed to more CSAM because 0.001% of 2 billion is a lot more than 0.001 % of 10 million.
   • midway (midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:44:34 JST midway

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     • Alex Gleason
     I guess the best way to stop the murdering of children is to ban all murder.
     
     If something is already illegal, you don’t fix it by making something adjacent to it illegal. It’s almost like criminals don’t care that it’s illegal.
     
     Not to mention the endless arguments over what is porn exactly.
     
     My point is not to advocate for porn but rather to show that more banning of things that aren’t child porn won’t fix the actual problem of child porn. All you will accomplish is to make millions upon million of harmless people criminals while not stopping child porn at all.
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:44:35 JST Alex Gleason

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     @billiam I wouldn't post that because I'm already 10 steps ahead of that user. Glad to see other people are thinking about this problem.
   • Alex Gleason (alex@gleasonator.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:44:35 JST Alex Gleason

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     • Alex Gleason
     @billiam Here's my unpopular opinion. The best way to prevent child porn is to ban porn.
     Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks likes this.
   • midway (midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:44:54 JST midway

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     • Alex Gleason
     • Santa Noodle ☦️
     You draw lines when you have actual harm to kids. That’s why child porn is illegal. You can’t make it without harming children.
     
     And the vast majority of porn consumers never go near that path. Just like the vast majority of alcohol drinkers are not alcoholics. You don’t ban booze because some people can’t handle their liquor. We tired that. It caused more problems than it solved. You would have the same results here.
     
     Focus enforcement on the truly criminal and leave everyone else alone.
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Aug-2023 01:49:32 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • Alex Gleason
     • midway

     @midway @alex @billiam For sure! When you think about it, keeping murder illegal is more trouble than it’s worth.

     People should be able to judiciously slaughter anybody they want, what’s the point of do-nothing regulations that don’t actually deter the production of murder? Open that tap all the way