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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 18:44:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
   A person suffering from mental illness doesn't always recognize their pain as a symptom of illness. Many blame others for not accepting their divergence from normality. It's worse if there is a community of similarly deranged people reinforcing this idea, and doubly so if society pretends to go along.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:48:42 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • m0xEE
     @m0xee this assumes that mental illness is as untreatable as an amputated hand. I'd argue that mental illness is more like malnutrition. Should we encourage people to stay malnourished or help them find a diet that provides them with the resources their body needs for optimal health.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:48:43 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere Well, by your analogy, let's imagine some person doesn't have a hand. Can he be a productive member of society — sure can, there are jobs other than working in the field. Can he live a normal life — with proper infrastructure, sure can and our society is developed enough to provide it.
     So this person demanding to be taken like a normal member of society is quite okay — and that is what most of them want (no reason to pretend that he has a hand, it's obvious that he doesn't).

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:57:15 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @m0xee > making fun of this person isn't beneficial
     
     Yeah this is actually one of the reasons I posted the thought. I think sometimes we see abnormal behaviors as conscious decisions. Often times I think a person exhibiting signs of mental illness is probably in pain which causes these behaviors. I have over my years gone through periods of my life where I had issues that needed resolution, but others around me couldn't see the pain I was in (half the time neither could I) and identifying those issues took years as a result.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:57:16 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere This person demanding society to act as if everyone doesn't have a hand is NOT okay. In any case, making fun of this person, pointing finger and shouting: "Look, he's disabled" — isn't beneficial to anyone, integrating him/her into society is, and for both: for this person and the society — he might not be the best farmer, but he could be a way better… software developer than most people having both hands 🤷

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:59:00 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • m0xEE
     @dcc @m0xee brains can work around quite a bit but yes there are limits to how well a person can be when actual brain damage or abnormalities exist. Most people's issues seem largely psychological though (caused by experience more than physiology).
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:59:01 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @thatguyoverthere @m0xee Mental illness from birth also know as a psychosis is un treatable since its a physical problem with the brian. Now things like drugs can also mess with the physical brain. Whats left is all likey due to childhood.
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   • mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:59:10 JST mike805

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     @thatguyoverthere The real problems start when someone power hungry decides to herd all the unhappy and mentally ill people into a mob to attack normalcy with.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 19:59:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • mike805
     @mike805 a reason mental illness should be taken more seriously.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:02:53 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @thatguyoverthere @m0xee This leads to my second point which is the ability to help some one with a mental illness is all on a case by case basis. The current way metal illness care is done with medicine and "therapy" neither of these have proven to be more effective than having a helping family or a friend that can help you get better.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:05:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • m0xEE
     @dcc @m0xee :100a: agreed. I think talk therapy can be useful but a healthy home environment and caring friends and family are far more important. I think most psychiatric drugs tend to cause more harm than good. They also create a false sense that the problem is physiological when most cases are not. Everything is a feedback loop and the concept of "garbage in/garbage out" applies to the mind as much as computers.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:06:40 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @dcc @m0xee I should add though that caring friends and family may not recognize issues correctly and sometimes having an outsider perspective can be useful
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:15:59 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • m0xEE
     @m0xee the problem with most psychiatric medicine is it's efficacy isn't really backed by science. Antidepressants may cause a person to tumble in the opposite direction. Until we remove the "may cause suicidal ideation" warning label I think we should look for underlying causes that can be treated less invasively.
     
     I think in the us mental health would naturally improve if our food supply wasn't poisonous.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:16:00 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere Some of it might be treatable, some might be like, following your analogy, pancreatic deficiency — digestion of this person might work mostly like the one of a healthy person, but he might supplement it by taking enzymes, this will improve the quality of life immensely — even if he/her has to take those all his life. He can sometimes live without those, but why?
     I don't think that, for example taking antidepressants all your life is necessary, for some maybe it is…

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   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:16:25 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere Despite it being actively studied, it's still mostly terra incognita and people often fall for extremes, some might want to MAKE these people behave normal, others might demand taking them as they are — both probably aren't the solution.

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   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:16:26 JST m0xEE

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     @thatguyoverthere , for most — there's likely an underlying problem that is causing it. You can use medication to sort you shit out and be done with it.
     Problem is, there is a wide spectrum of such illnesses, some might be treatable. some might be not, some of these people might be easily integrated, for others it will require more effort.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:18:33 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • m0xEE
     @m0xee yeah there is a weird tendency to try and cast every issue to a binary solution. I think binaries do exist in nature but we seem to have a particular nack for falsely identifying them (false positive and negative)
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:20:19 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     • m0xEE
     @thatguyoverthere @m0xee Also true, now here is a question for you. Is psychosis going up or is psychological going up (in numbers) for me i think is both.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 06-Aug-2023 20:20:19 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • m0xEE
     @dcc @m0xee probably both. I think over the last century we've been confronted with a lot of genetic damage. Thousands of detonated nuclear bombs will do that to a species. Other environmental toxins probably also complicate things epigenetically.
   • mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 19:03:46 JST mike805

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     @thatguyoverthere The people who herd mentally ill people into a mob to attack normalcy should be taken more seriously.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 19:03:59 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • mike805
     @mike805 both seem important
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 19:11:18 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • mike805
     @mike805 I agree, but that seems impossible. We can possibly build a society where there is less reward for such behavior but as long as vulnerable people can be manipulated to produce some great effect there will be people looking to exploit that. It's like asking for an internet without script kiddies. Good luck.
   • mike805 (mike805@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 07-Aug-2023 19:11:19 JST mike805

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     @thatguyoverthere We need to bring back mental institutions yeah. But there will always be crazy people. There must not always be evil people herding them into a mob. That has to stop.

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