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1. Mona (mona@frennet.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jul-2023 21:47:59 JST Mona

   climate change? real or fake?

   • Groomschild (groomschild@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jul-2023 21:47:57 JST Groomschild

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     @mona @bronze As a root idea. Change is inevitable and everpresent so why wouldn't the climate change over time.
     Humans must likely cause climate change but carbon emissions are a red herring. It would be a much better use of time and resources to go after harmful chemicals and improve plant growth and water distribution
   • Mona (mona@frennet.xyz)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jul-2023 21:47:58 JST Mona

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     @bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club yes those news reports are for the nigger cattle to get scared
     
     but is the root idea false?

     Machismo repeated this.
   • bronze (bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Jul-2023 21:47:59 JST bronze

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     @mona fake and gay
     >omg DEATH VALLEY has temperatures that would KILL YOU
     peak fearmongering bullshit for the nigger cattle
   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:18 JST Anime Wong

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     @deprecated_ii @mona @skylar @bronze People also seems to ignore the solar cycle. The sun has a 11ish year cycle where it's brightness changes slightly, as well as changes in solar storm activity (and we're in a solar maximum phase right now). However, there have also been period, including a 100 year stretch in the 1650-1750, as well as a longer one during the time of Homer, where the sun had massive drops in solar activity. Climate science basically rejects that this phenomenon has any impact on the climate, but I don't feel that their reasoning is justified, especially since the Homeric Minimum is pretty much known to have had an impact.
     
     The climate problem, as I see it described, is this: We dig gasses that were trapped underground and introduce it to the atmosphere. This, over time, will slowly change the composition of the atmosphere and how it retains heat.
     
     This all sounds very reasonable to me. However, a problem that I do have actually comes from Volcanoes. Volcanoes do the same thing as humans, and as far as I know, have been emitting huge amounts gasses for 4.5 billion years. This isn't a question about the amount of gases volcanoes produce as compared to humans, but a question of duration. Plants don't remove things like carbon from the atmosphere, they temporarily trap it, but once they die, it's released again. It can get trapped in a cycle of capture and release by trees and plants, but unless we have more plants now than 100 million years ago to maintain some sort of steady state, the greenhouse effect must also be getting worse over time.
     
     My problem is, why are climate scientists so convinced that this does not contribute to the problem at all. The conditions seem exactly the same.
     
     Edit: I guess I left out this, the mechanism that can reduce carbon over time are plants getting trapped in the soil, and turned into coal and oil. But, I'm not sure about the rate that this occurs at. The impression I had is that most plants don't go through this, so probably not enough to offset the balance overtime.
   • Mona (mona@frennet.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:19 JST Mona

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     @skylar@wolfgirl.bar @deprecated_ii@poa.st @bronze@pl.kitsunemimi.club i mean lets take the cows farting if you measure heat in the area where the cows fart it is hotter but the air above them and in the surrounding area is normal

   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:19 JST d

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     @mona @skylar @bronze the idea is by releasing greenhouse gases, specifically methane in the case of cow farts*, more of the sun's energy will stay in the atmosphere instead of being radiated back into space
     
     they claim that at a certain point there will be a positive feedback loop where the earth just gets hotter forever
     
     this was the basis of many late 20th century doomsday predictions that failed to come true
     
     from this you can conclude that the scientists don't know what the fuck they're talking about
     
     *note, methane is naturally released into the atmosphere by the earth itself all the time by way of natural gas seeps and volcanic activity. the methane breaks down naturally and doesn't just stick around forever
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:20 JST d

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     @skylar @mona @bronze the climate certainly changes on the earth, and there's probably some minor visible effect of industrialization if we were capable of measuring it, which we're not. such an effect would be dwarfed by a period of heavy volcanic activity or variation in sun output
     
     the idea that there will be some runaway thermal effect in either direction is utter nonsense
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:20 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @deprecated_ii @mona @bronze as it turns out, the astmosphere is big, there's a lot of air up there, so tiny and slow changes are the only kind
     the goofy asses claiming some apocalypse of runaway greenhouse effect are just shills for buttsex, living in the pod, and infinity niggers
     95%+ of things blamed on climate change are either outright lies or the media running cover for corporate polluters and the consequences of terrible mismanagement of natural resources
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:21 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @mona @bronze i'm gonna say real
     there's research on the greenhouse effect from the 1800s, long before science was replaced with soyence, the homosexual death cult that spends all its time seething about God
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:19:55 JST d

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     @Elliptica @mona @skylar @bronze Plants aren't the only things that sequester CO2, animals in the ocean do too and that gets deposited on the sea floor when they die. It's believed that during the Cretaceous, the CO2 levels were over 1000 ppm which contributed to a warm climate and huge plant growth. CO2 is around 400 ppm right now, so something sucked it back out of the atmosphere between then and now. And obviously the extremely high CO2 level didn't lead to runaway global warming then, so it's hard to see why it should do so now at a claimed "point of no return" that's much lower than 1000 ppm.
     
     But really my position is we just don't know what's going on. IMO it's the only honest scientific position about the earth's climate. We're talking about a very complex system with very long term cycles we don't understand and can't measure short of spending thousands of years on the problem. Of course we don't understand it; we're just guessing about most of it.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 20-Jul-2023 03:20:04 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @deprecated_ii @Elliptica @mona @skylar @bronze I’m unimpressed by cheesy climate goals until they start empowering white men with legal authority to visibly and brutally punish polluters. That’s how you’d know they’re serious