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Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:41:48 JST 
Narbray
I am more than happy to have switched to linux. :flan_happy:
linux is gradually growing
https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide- 🛡 ⚔️ McCreeaboo ⚔️ 🛡 likes this.
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Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:41:45 JST 
Kyonko802
@Suzu @Narbray @ishadowx I'm okay with that. We've all seen what happens to things that get too popular -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:41:46 JST 
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Narbray @ishadowx yes, as I said, I'll be happy to reap whatever benefits the increased usage of corporate Linux desktops will bring.
I just don't hold my hopes for Linux to become a powerhouse or anything of the sort. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:41:47 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Narbray it's actually a very weird situation. Granted, in this case they are not accounting for Chrome desktop, but usually they are.
The "Year of the Linux desktop" kinda already arrived. Linux powers a metric shit ton of Chromebooks around, which make for a pretty big slice of the desktop market nowadays, and it's the only thing many zoomers have ever used. In the same way, SteamOS powers not only the Steam Deck, but also many dedicated gaming machines enthusiasts have set up, since they publicly release the builds.
It's like a "Year of the Corporate Linux Desktop". Most of the people having access to Linux are doing it through a corporate curated and locked down experience. Kinda in the same way boomers got access to ActivityPub through a heavily curated, moderated and isolated experience in Gab, and retards will have access to ActivityPub through the heavily curated, moderated and isolated Threads. Those are corps using the "free, community driven" shit for their own purposes.
What does it mean? I have no idea, I'm just rambling, I enjoy rambling like a schizo now and then.
But I don't think it will be an "embrace, extend, extinguish" situation, with Valve and/or Chrome dominating the Linux sphere and then everything changing to cater to them. And I don't think that's it because I think they are good companies who would never do something like that, but because it's not in their interest. It's better for them that the Linux community keeps existing as it is, so people develop stuff that they can keep mooching from.
On the other hand, I don't think this will convert many more users or will increase Linux marketshare too much. I think Linux (as in, the non-Valve, non-Google Linux) will still keep being a niche thing, both because of the inherent Linux idiosincracies, and also because, unfortunately, a lot of software companies still treat Linux as a second class citizen. DaVinci Resolve, for instance, updates the WIndows version more frequently than the Linux one, and has more features in the Windows version. AMD, as I found out, doesn't have some graphics cards features available in Linux, and they already said "fuck it, we're not doing it".
And you can't shame them, because it's a cost/benefit analysis. There is no incentive of investing too much in development for something that can reach a potential userbase of only 3% of the total computer users.
So, it's a circular thing. There used to be a cookie brand around here that had an ad that went something like "are the cookies always fresh because they sell so fast, or do they sell so fast because they are always fresh?". People don't use Linux because the programs they want to use don't work in it, and then devs don't publish their programs for Linux because people don't use it. And I don't think this situation will improve just because of the corporate Linux desktops, mostly because they are made for a very specific kind of machine, and for a very specific kind of use, so most general use things won't change.
Sure, we see a few improvements in some areas. Gaming in Linux is way easier and way better than it ever was, and Valve has a lot to do with it. I'm happy with whatever improvement I can get in the Linux sphere, and I hope these "corporate Linux desktops" either develop stuff that can improve the lifes of the regular Linux users, or that they incentivize devs to improve the life of the regular Linux users, but I can't envision a future where (regular) Linux has a substantial market share.
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🅢🇭🇦🇩🇴🇼 (ishadowx@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:41:47 JST 
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@Suzu @Narbray I believe that the better the MESA drivers, the more people will move to the platform. Graphics Drivers have been the sole reason for the hesitation to give up windows for a lot of people. -
Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:41:47 JST
Narbray
@ishadowx @Suzu however, the impulse of chromeOS and steamOS could bring direct or indirect benefits to us, I think it is good that it is increasing in popularity, even if it's through steamOS or whatever. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:55:03 JST 
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@AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
masochism and narcissism:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: likes this. -
AommAomm (aommaomm@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:55:04 JST 
AommAomm
@Kyonko802 @Suzu @Narbray @ishadowx
>I decide to try and get into linux
>install it on the VM with the intention of using that VM as a main PC for a trial
>doesnt know how to do anything and setting up anything has 3-5 more steps that go into it
> "wow this is inconvenient"
>deletes VM after a couple days
How do you guys do it?:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
weissrespecter (weissrespecter@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:57:03 JST 
weissrespecter
@AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx Linux is for people who consider "fiddling with my computer" to be a hobby. :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 08:57:11 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx fueled by full, unadultered rage, and hate for Microsoft and pozzed shit.
But honestly, your experience is pretty common, and adopting Linux is not easy, and requires you to change the way you do things.
This here is a pretty good video that talks exactly about this, and this is coming from a Linux enthusiast and promoter: https://invidious.varishangout.net/watch?v=U8gbR-VHoDY&t=306s:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 09:02:58 JST
Narbray
@Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @ishadowx there are also very good and stable distributions perfect to start with like linux mint or zorinOS.
I started with linux mint, I had very few problems and it didn't cost me anything to learn how to use it, it's not much different from using window.
I think that it's difficult to use is a pretty silly excuse, zorinOS is absurdly easy to use.:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
Kyonko802 (kyonko802@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jul-2023 11:12:22 JST
Kyonko802
@AommAomm @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx when I got a new computer I had to update the kernel for the new hardware. This necessitated sourcing my software instead of getting it through the mint repo. You already have to source on windows but that's the first big thing on linux that's actually made me grumble a bit -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:14:35 JST 
DarkMahesvara
@AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx TIL people are born knowing how windows works -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:14:35 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
>insert disc
>it worksluithe and Gyaru Enjoyer like this. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:24:55 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
i dont mean literally :akko_sus:
the average person shouldnt have much issue with either aside from compatibility issues
but compatibility issues make up a lot of shit :tamamo_die: -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:24:56 JST
DarkMahesvara
@kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx well yeah since those are managed by your bios. i can tell you from experience with multiple people who know dog shit about PC that they find installing noob distro like ubuntu easier and quicker to install than windows and that not even only because it has gotten better but windows just getting worse :shrug: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:39:15 JST 
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@DarkMahesvara @kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx >Start linux installer
>LVM? GRUB? What?
>Start Windows installer
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DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:39:16 JST
DarkMahesvara
@kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx most get stuck on partitioning screen, user creation that needs MS account+internet and the 20 "do you want to send pics of your butthole and geo location to microsoft" bs. linux its mostly disable secure boot -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:45:15 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere I did try linux. Multiple distro's.
And still have no idea what LVM is since none of the installers bother to explain what the fuck it is and why i might need it. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:45:16 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere just admit you never even tried it :shrug: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:48:27 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@DarkMahesvara @kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx yeah, technically speaking, installing a "user friendly" Linux distro is way easier for a newbie user than installing Windows.
But newbie users hardly install Windows. They either receive it preinstalled in their machines, or they pay a technician to install it to them (or their more tech-savvy friend/brother/cousin does it)
And weirdly enough, since most people are used to Windows, they are more used to the awkward way of installing things there (usually by going to the developers site and downloading an exe file, or by going to a shady site and failing the russian roulette of "what is the real link" and downloading whatever) instead of downloading stuff from the distro "app store". Maybe people will start getting more used to doing things this way now that Windows has an app store (and, frankly, people should already be used to it because their phones work like this since forever), so, yeah. It's mostly inertia, vast majority of people are used to do things the Windows way, and they won't learn a new way of doing things. Even if their usage is so basic that they won't find any incompatibility issues.
My sister, for instance, has a laptop that she uses only for very, very basic stuff. Literally browsing the web for Facebook and Youtube, and using the Office suite for some church stuff. Her laptop is old, and Windows is a drag on it. She would be prime candidate for using Linux.
But I won't do it. I tried to show her before, and she simply can't grasp doing things a bit differently than what she's used to, and I won't "stealthily install" Linux in it because I know that as soon as she realizes that a button is out of place or in a different color, she will freak out and demand me to return to how it was.
Funnily enough, people like my sister don't seem to have any problems adapting to the changes in a new version of Windows.:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:49:11 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere nah, that's not a thing since 10 years ago. If you install a newbie friendly distro, for starters you have a graphical interface for doing everything, and secondly it doesn't even bother you with GRUB or shit like that, it asks if you want to keep Windows (in case you have it installed) and automatically resizes and repartitions your drive, you can just go next-next-next.
On the other hand, a fresh Windows install is way more arcane for a newbie user, even if they improved the installer a lot from previous versions. And upgrading is never recomended, I think not even Microsoft recomends doing it. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:49:11 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere MX Linux bothers you with GRUB and other crap.
Before you say its some obscure distro, its frequently the number one distro on distro watch.
"Upgrade" is the express setting. It even says "upgrade" on an empty disk. If there's a previous install it just moves your shit to windows.old. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:50:19 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere Believe it or not i daily drove Mint for a while when i had an old piece of shit laptop that had no decent windows 10 drivers. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:50:20 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere sure buddy. your usual "i was only acting retarded" is more entertaining desu :shrug: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:50:32 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere LVM is the "logical volume management", it's like an abstraction layer that allows you to use virtual disks over your disks natively. So instead of partitioning your disk, you create logical volumes over it that act like their own disks, you can span them over multiple disks, etc.
But here's the thing, this is pretty advanced stuff that you usually have to go out of your way to configure, a newbie friendly distro installer would never throw it in your face.
Heck, I think not even NixOS installation wizard asked me about LVM.:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:51:25 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere
>ts frequently the number one distro on distro watch.
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:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:51:25 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere And what is wrong with distro watch now? :reimu_sigh: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:55:37 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere Linux installers will still force LVM on you if you want to use full disk encryption though. Which you want if you use it on a laptop that you will carry around. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:57:45 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere its a well known meme the ranking is absolutely worthless. also beginner will not even find that site because "LVM, Distro? i just install ubuntu or if somebody recommend mint and be done with it" -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:57:45 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere I literally asked my linux using coworker for a distro and he referred me to distro watch back then. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 04:58:17 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
partitioning screen? for windows?
last i installed custom it was just set one partition size and done, windows automatically does the other partitions
mint had do like 5 partitions manually, regardless both are just a single google search away from finding what types you need and the suitable sizes :zt_sip: -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:01:39 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere there is no such thing as "Linux installers". ubuntu does not mint does not not even arch does explicitly talk about LVM :shrug: its all point and click with encryption. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:01:39 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere Mint does or did. The full disk encryption option was under the LVM part at the partition part of the installation.
The only option without LVM is home folder encryption. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:02:54 JST
DarkMahesvara
@kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx congrats so do all beginner distros :shrug: tho compared to windows there is text explaining it a bit -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:02:54 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
why would you need text with windows, its literally three clicks :cirno_stare2:
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Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:06:15 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere OK, but even then, if you are using a newbie friendly distro with a graphical installer, there are 99,99% chances that it will just tell you "OK, if you need disk encryption you'll need to turn on LVM, mark this checkbox" and then it will create everything for you in a sane default.
It's like in Windows, when you need to activate something and it asks you to activate 10 other obscure things as prerequisites, but somehow NOW it's a problem. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:06:15 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere >It's like in Windows, when you need to activate something and it asks you to activate 10 other obscure things as prerequisites
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:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:08:01 JST
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@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx
the once a blue moon c++ redist install popup :sachi_smug: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:09:38 JST
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@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx Windows 10 can fetch those from the internet on the spot. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:11:16 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere Also i once had the misfortune of having to recover a LUKS encrypted drive. Never again. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:14:13 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere So is manual partitioning in the Windows installer. Your point? -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:14:14 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere all of that is literally under the "advanced features" section. if reading a foreign word makes you unable to install software maybe you should get a type writer :shrug: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:15:45 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere You're the one who claimed people got stuck on the partitioning part of the windows installer. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:15:46 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere we moving the goal post back i see. good for you -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:18:52 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere Never used bitlocker. I know recovering Veracrypt encrypted drives is a hell of a lot easier than recovering a LUKS partition. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:18:53 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere Also i once had the misfortune of having to recover a Bitlocker encrypted drive. Never again (really happened lol) -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:19:07 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere thats not the partitioning screen but the "windows was already installed" :kekw: again your the one who claims he was unable to install linux because he read a acronym he didn't know in an advanced context menu :shrug: -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:19:16 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
thats literally the windows installer, it shows that regardless :zt_think2::tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: likes this. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:21:09 JST
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@Tamamo @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
ive only ever seen people recommend veracrypt :zt_think: -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:29:24 JST
DarkMahesvara
@kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @Tamamo @ishadowx reading is hard -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:29:24 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @Tamamo @ishadowx
i installed windows on a VM yesterday, thats the installer regardless of if you have windows installed
ive never even hit that button
custom is three clicks, 5 if you want a custom size :jahy_stare2: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:32:29 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx the Linux Mint installer does literally the same thing.
You only need to mess up with partitioning (or LVM) if you want to, else you just click "erase everything and fuck it":gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:33:53 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx
you cant just set one size and be done with it, but like i said, its a single google search away
why the fuck are we even talking about installation thats the least of linux's issues -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:35:02 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere Also, notice that we are kinda talking about two different things here.
In one, we are installing Linux fresh in a machine that either doesn't have anything installed or has Windows intalled. It's expected that there will be some disk partitioning involved.
In the other, you are upgrading an already installed version of Windows that already has all the partitioning done. It's obvious it will be "simpler". And again, upgrading is not recommended because Windows always craps it's pants with registry stuff and other weird bullshit when you upgrade from a previous version, ideally you'll always want to do a fresh intall.
And most Linux distributions don't require you to insert the disk and go to the installer to upgrade them :cirno_sip: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:35:02 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere It might have done in the past but a windows 10 "upgrade" will simply dump a fresh install on your disk with all your old stuff like apps and settings moved to a window.old folder.
The only thing it keeps is the user and any non program files in the home folder. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:35:46 JST
DarkMahesvara
@kilostere @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx so google search is fine if its windows. got it at least you are honest -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:35:46 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @Tamamo @ishadowx
you cant just set one size (ON LINUX MINT(LIKE YOU CAN WITH WINDOWS)) and be done with it, but like i said, its a single google search away
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:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:39:25 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx
in windows you can just set one and itll do they others for you with minimal space
dark says you can do the same so ill trust him on that for now :kanna_inspect:
installing for either one is usually braindead easy :akko_tired: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:39:26 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx what do you mean "you can't set one size"?
Both in Windows and in Linux, your options are either:
- wipe the entire disk and we create the partitions for you automagically
- manually edit your partitions -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:40:50 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere How dare i want to know what LVM is and if i might need it in the future. Silly noob me. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:40:51 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Suzu @kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx NOOO BUT THERE IS THREE LETTER WORD I DON'T KNOW LITERALLY UNINSTALLABLE :soy_cry: -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:41:49 JST
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@Tamamo @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
look it up :ogayu_sussy: i dont remember ever seeing that or it being a problem desu -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:42:19 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx yeah, you can. Linux just tends to bother you more with partitions because it's common to have the /home in a separate partition, so it might want you to decide the size of both the root partition and the home partition, while in WIndows that's usually not an issue (and actually Windows craps it's pants if you put the User folder in another partition). :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:43:16 JST
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@Narbray @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere Not gonna lie. i kinda liked that distro.
I miss installers that let me choose what i want to install. MX Linux was the only distro that let me choose not waste disk space on shit like CUPS during instalation. -
Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:43:17 JST
Narbray
@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @ishadowx @kilostere the first distro I've seen that does that lol -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:44:00 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere A linux user suggesting an evil corp like google? poser. :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:44:01 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere you could google search but thats only allowed for windows sry :yui_shrug: -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:46:02 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
im allowed to say it i work for google :sachi_smug: -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:46:03 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere https://varishangout.net/notice/AXd5LAYrMQZHRBxJtg -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:46:28 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere Kilo's smug avatar really fits. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:49:36 JST
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@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx With linux i'm paranoid when i need to do something in the future they'll be like: oh you wanna do that, you'll need LVM. Oh you didn't tick that LVM box during instaltion, LOL NOOB you better reinstall your entire system and not forget LVM this time LMAO. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:51:53 JST
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@Tamamo @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
if you split / and /home you can do whatever, reinstall if you need to and youll still have most stuff :ina_nod: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:52:08 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere First thing i did with fresh mint installs was using that purge command to get rid of shit i didn't need. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:52:09 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @Narbray @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @ishadowx @kilostere if you want to get your hands dirty and don't have a fear of the command prompt or acronyms, there are a lot of distros that allow you to fine tune exactly what you want in your system.
Like NixOS. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:52:47 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx burn the witch!
I work for Dell. Is this some kind of flex? Does anyone still know what Dell is?:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:53:23 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx the real flex is that i dont work for google :sachi_smug: what does dell do nowadays :awoo_think: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:55:39 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx mostly enterprise hardware. We are actually pretty big in servers, storage and shit like that, and do pretty well in corporate desktops and laptops.
Around here we work mostly with the government.:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:56:11 JST
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@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx How many C:\'s can i buy with a /? :hyperconfused: -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:56:31 JST
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@Tamamo @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
one hyberfil worth :ina_nod: -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:58:03 JST
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@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx think of the bloat :tamamo_die: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 05:59:36 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx a lot of them, because in Linux every new drive you mount will be inside / instead of getting their own letters. :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:00:06 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere You still need to do that shit AFTER installation with Mint.
You know what commercial OS actually let you fine tune your installation in detail? Classic Mac OS. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:00:07 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere having the choice to do that is nice. now imagine a system where the only software ever installed is the one you choose :smug: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:00:45 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @Tamamo @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx 3000 packages :ehhhh: :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:01:23 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx
im only getting started :satania_smug2:
i even have a snap installed :satania_haha: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:01:48 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere Naruhodo :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:06:48 JST
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@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx
hows flatpak, i only have snap stuff because it was literally the only option :tamamo_die:
i try to avoid them both :akko_sus:
i dont touch ubuntu because its aids :Atsuko_No: -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:06:49 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx snap? This is MADNESS!
Seriously speaking, the reason to not recommend Ubuntu or it's derivatives anymore is because snap is a travesty.
And unfortunately it seems Red Hat turned irredeemably evil the last couple months, and even Fedora is compromised, so we are starting to have a hard time finding good "easy to use" distros.
OpenSUSE, I guess... -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:07:48 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere I hate how Apple never gets shit for this even though they practically pioneered this shit.
Reminder Apple actually prevented you from installing older versions of their own goddamn OS on YOUR machine as far as 2002. Want to run Mac OS 9.2 on your G4 tower? Fuck you, you're gonna use OS X and you're gonna like it despite still having massive compatibility issues.
If you wanted to run Mac OS 9.2 on those machines you had to buy a G4 tower with a special BIOS that allowed you to boot Mac OS 9.2. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:07:49 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Suzu @kilostere @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx intel, microsoft and dell deserve some anti trust beating
Microsoft: "windows only supported on new intel CPUs with TPM"
Intel: "TPM only in new CPU"
Dell: "better buy new pc lmao" -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:08:18 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx honestly speaking, never messed much with flatpak, but people say it's a saner implementation than snap. :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: likes this. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:19:03 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@DarkMahesvara @Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere he's talking about Classic Mac OS, before the X bullshit.
Classic Mac OS was pretty kino. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:19:03 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Tamamo @ishadowx @kilostere ah alright. never was an apple guy, rather use windows than that torture device lol -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:19:04 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere Mac OS is full of bloat same as windows :shrug: mint is tiny in comparison so really barking at the wrong tree. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:19:37 JST
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@DarkMahesvara @Suzu @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere Classic Mac OS was incredibly flexible. If you wanted to boot an old mac all you needed to do is to create a folder called "System Folder" and drag the files 'System' and 'Finder' in it and you had a completely bare bones bootable Mac OS. It was that easy.
Come to think of it. The version locking bullshit apple did started with the iMacs. Those things were BIOS locked to boot from anything lower as Mac OS 9.0 even though they were perfectly capable of booting from older versions like 8.5 which was more stable.
So you can thank apple for the hardware OS lockout bullshit. They started it. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:19:55 JST
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@Tamamo @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx
i have never once touched a mac, i am clean :ina_blessed: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:20:33 JST
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab:
@kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @Suzu @ishadowx I grew up on them. Back when macs were still beige boxes and you could actually upgrade them. -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:24:31 JST
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@Narbray @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere You linux fags laugh at windows installing bloat while Mint dumps an entire office suite and random crap like IRC clients on my disk that i never asked for. :angery: -
Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:24:32 JST
Narbray
@DarkMahesvara @Tamamo @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Suzu @ishadowx @kilostere well, it's absurd to complain about bloat on mint when you don't know shit about linux.
it's like complaining about having to wear shoes when you don't even know how to walk.
first learn to walk and then you can wear the shoes you want to wear -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:28:13 JST
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@Narbray @kilostere @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Suzu @ishadowx Because everything works in OS X without having to fuck around with the terminal. -
Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:28:14 JST
Narbray
@kilostere @Tamamo @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Suzu @ishadowx I've used a friend's mac several times, I haven't really noticed how great a mac is.... I find it funny how many people say they don't want to switch to linux because they don't know how to use it but they accept a mac with open arms. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:30:01 JST
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@Narbray @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Suzu @Tamamo @ishadowx
these are the same people that put up with this so :yui_shrug: -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:35:56 JST
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@Suzu @Narbray @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @ishadowx @kilostere An OS from 1998. An installer that actually lets to choose what to install so you don't have to waste time cleaning up its crap. How the fuck did we go backwards. There is no excuse for this shit. -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:35:57 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Narbray @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Tamamo @ishadowx @kilostere NOOOO, I WANT TO USE A MINIMALISTIC INSTALL RUNNING DWM AND WITH LESS THAN 100 PACKAGES, WHY ISN'T IT SIMPLE TO DO WITH A GRAPHICAL INSTALLER? -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:40:24 JST
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab:
@Suzu @Narbray @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @ishadowx @kilostere Or you can use Atlas OS.
https://atlasos.net -
Narbray (narbray@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:40:25 JST
Narbray
@DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Suzu @Tamamo @ishadowx @kilostere yeah, and in linux much of the pre-installed software can be safely removed, many distributions come with firefox `but you can remove it without problems, but in window you have to swallow the fucking edge, and to top it off now are forcing some system links to be opened on edge -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:40:25 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Narbray @DarkMahesvara @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Tamamo @ishadowx @kilostere fun fact:
You can actually remove Edge by using some tweaks and elbow grease.
It will, most often than not, completely break your system, because that shit is completely integrated with Windows by now, in a way not even IE was. -
DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:40:26 JST
DarkMahesvara
@Narbray @AommAomm @Kyonko802 @Suzu @Tamamo @ishadowx @kilostere bloat in linux is usually a meme anyways. most of the time its a fancy feature full desktop environment that might take couple more % of CPU and RAM or just more packages that do nothing and just take up little space.
meanwhile bloat in most proprietary operating systems means meaningfully worse user experience and performance. for example news and search bar phoning home and getting inserted with ads. -
:gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:41:02 JST
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@Suzu @Narbray @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Tamamo @ishadowx
you can rip a ton of things out of windows and have it work just fine, the number of things you probably want to tear out only grows though :akko_sus:
ive never seen file sexplorer :file_sexplorer: ads but apparently thats a thing :senko_think: ive just left defender -
Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:44:07 JST
Suzu :miku_happy:
@Tamamo @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere that's actually pretty interesting -
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab: (tamamo@varishangout.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jul-2023 06:44:07 JST
:tamamo_dab:Tamamo:tamamo_dab:
@Suzu @AommAomm @DarkMahesvara @Kyonko802 @Narbray @ishadowx @kilostere I've tried it on an sandybridge machine. It strips windows 10 down to the bare minimum and it still works fine. Runs really smooth.
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