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1. iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:17:02 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:
   the idea that people only hate the rich out of jealousy is a lie... propagated by the rich.
   
   people don't hate you because you have money. they hate you because you are bullshit scumbags who apparently don't have to follow the law and probably that time you hired a PMC to bomb african villages so you could get cheap water for the beverages you sell or something.
   
   there's been studies done on it. americans love rich people who just made a cool product and sold it without any bullshit involved.
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   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:16:56 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     • Marvin
     @Marvin @djsumdog its kind of like you decide to sell vegetables, and the state takes 30% and gives it to Dark Costco to provide vegetables for the people in charge of bombing $country. you can't not give your competitor money even if you were to never buy the product.
     
     this is the kind of thing that is really just indefensible, but its really convenient if you can gaslight people in to thinking they just need to i dunno
     
     not be jealous or something
     
     :blobcatdunno:
   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:16:57 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @Marvin @djsumdog i already dodge a lot of corpo, but there is a point where that can't be done because billy and the government are best pals, as are bezos, and such.
     
     it's literally impossible to wallet vote because the gov.t will just steal your money and give it to them.
   • Marvin (marvin@fans.sonichu.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:16:59 JST Marvin

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     People complain, but no one is going to take collective action. That requires advertising and that’s expensive. The Bud Light/Target/Dodgers thing is really interesting in this regards, even though long term, Target and AB InBev will probable be fine.

     AB InBev will be fine, but I don’t think the point is necessarily to make them go bankrupt, so much as teach them the lesson that pandering to woke nonsense is unprofitable.

     And really, they should learn that pandering in general is a poor use of investor funds. They’re a beer company. Who needs to believe their beer company has the most ethical political/social beliefs unrelated to, y’know, making and selling shitty beer?

     If the public can teach big companies that pandering, especially woke pandering (but to be fair, any pandering is bad), risks them getting Bud Light’d, then that’s mission accomplished.

   • djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:17:00 JST djsumdog

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     I think it’s super complex. In the 2003 documentary The Corporation, some tree huggers protested some Shell board member at his house in the UK .. he and his wife actually invite them in and have a nice discussion.

     As far as rich people wasting money, I kinda like Matt Walsh’s hot take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2QeMl9rY5g

     People love Elon Musk for the based things he’s doing, ignoring the fact that he’s one of the largest defense contractors in the world (via SpaceX), all his companies are heavily subsidized by governments (US, China for Tesla; various for SpaceX satellites). He has ties to the World Economic Forum.

     In the 90s/2000s it was shitty how Bill Gates crushed all his opposition, but the Linux and open source movement showed there were things he couldn’t compete against. macOS has gained market, but also shows things typically narrow to 2~3 competitors in all markets. I think it’s kinda the natural output.

     When it comes to the FTC/SEC, it’s rare they do much useful today; preventing only the largest and flagrant violations of anti-competition/anti-trust (nVidia trying to buy ARM, or AB InBev forcing to sell the Modelo brand to someone else in the US).

     Just in general, if you hate a rich person for being rich, stop buying from them. I literally bought nothing from Walmart from 2010 ~ 2022. I stopped buying from Amazon in 2016. People complain, but no one is going to take collective action. That requires advertising and that’s expensive. The Bud Light/Target/Dodgers thing is really interesting in this regards, even though long term, Target and AB InBev will probable be fine.

     ..and I think that gets to the complex part. People naturally order into hierarchies. You’re always going to get down to 2~4 providers for any given thing. People who take the biggest risks are going to be the ones who make the biggest gains, and not everyone has the will and drive to make those risks (I don’t). So I disagree with you; there is a certain amount of envy there, but should you really envy the psycho? .. the world is going to breed them anyway … either through selection from other elites or through the lucky few risk takers that can create a shared vision and make widgets everyone else wants …

     I dunno … I use to earn next to nothing and now I earn a lot relatively (a good home, a good vehicle, on track for retirement), but not an insane amount (12 vehicles with a Corvette). I’m happy where I’m at, and I don’t have a strong drive. I wish everyone who didn’t could make more than enough to be okay and live decently.

     oh god this is a long fucking essay. Sorry Quinn! Don’t hate me :blobfoxinnocent:

   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:17:01 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     i mean, i guess you could try to argue its still jealousy? in which case yes. i am very jealous and i want to be allowed to flagrantly violate the FTC because i just want to and anti trust laws are stupid and i shouldn't have to follow anything i don't like. :blobcatdunno:
   • djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Jun-2023 01:17:41 JST djsumdog

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     Yea and I agree. That's all true. Last year I stopped buying from Target because they started selling chest binders to teenagers. Wal-Mart teaches anti-white racism to managers, but I went back to them because there was literally no one to buy from unless I wanted to spend an extra $20~$40 for some goods. I wrote this whole thing on voting with your money a while back:
     
     https://battlepenguin.com/politics/you-cant-vote-with-your-dollar/
     
     but it ends with a variation of Mother Teressa's "do it anyway" ... not sure if it's the right attitude, but it's all I can do.
   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@birds.garden)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 04:27:37 JST Zergling_man

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     @djsumdog @icedquinn @Marvin
   • djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 04:27:39 JST djsumdog

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     • Marvin
     Well with specifics to Woke trends in companies, that has a lot to do with ESG scores and "stake holder" economies (where you are beholden to the nebulous term "stake holder" instead of "share holder" .. and a steak holder might not even own any of a company).
     
     The leaders of these companies are part of a cult that believes they need to do social good, and that builds some other type of social capital (and I think they're also less concerned about money because they believe it will all go away anyway because their insane Communists who want to push some type of new social credit based digital currency where the world is better when you're given coin that can only be spent on food and other coin that can only be spent on entertainment; forcing populations to make "good" decisions by the way they're paid) ... it's coming and needs to be fought against.
   • djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 29-Jun-2023 04:28:15 JST djsumdog

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     Yep yep. Exactly. genau.

     Whitney Webb talked a lot about Aladdin in her Unlimited Hangout podcast, as well as things like Palantir (tracking and analysis software sold to the intelligence agencies of many world governments to monitor their citizens)

     https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

     Palantir is a Peter Thiel company; who is another one of these shady actors: one of the original PayPal mafia people who is currently backing companies like Rumble. So even these newer “free speech” platforms are still having money pumped in by completely untrustworthy people.

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