Conversation

Notices

1. PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:10 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
   The #1 reason I make fun of people on Twitter is shit like this
   • Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:04 JST Gabe

     in reply to

     @PurpCat@marsey.moe this is what worries me the most about the future of the open web. It won't exist if nobody wants it. The normalization of mass censorship and surveillance has eroded a lot of the foundation needed to foster it. I'm becoming increasingly skeptical that people can creatively out-engineer the apathy (or even hostility) from the public towards the very concept of a free and open web.

     xianc78 and Ardainian Hebrew Israelite like this.
   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:05 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to

     • Gabe
     >Regarding the original issue, I'm leaning closely to the idea that one-size-fits-all social media is itself prone to disaster. Most commentary on that incident emphasizes the lack of moderation but largely ignores the monopolization factor that clearly had a role in escalating tensions. This is a concern I've always had with big tech on it's own, it's an enforced mono-culture...and we've seen the effect it's had on people's minds.
     
     They're only angry 90% of the time about the moderation being for the wrong side. They will shut up if you link something about say, big tech and how it pushes drugs and sex shit on kids.
     xianc78 and Ardainian Hebrew Israelite repeated this.
   • Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:06 JST Gabe

     in reply to

     @PurpCat@marsey.moe
     To be fair, if they could remove political opponents from the internet they would. We all saw in 2021 how far they'd like to take things.
     
     Regarding the original issue, I'm leaning closely to the idea that one-size-fits-all social media is itself prone to disaster. Most commentary on that incident emphasizes the lack of moderation but largely ignores the monopolization factor that clearly had a role in escalating tensions. This is a concern I've always had with big tech on it's own, it's an enforced mono-culture...and we've seen the effect it's had on people's minds.

   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:07 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to

     • Gabe
     The other problem with this mindset is, eventually the logical endgame of it is "only we should be allowed to run a social media site and not you." Which means bye bye fediverse hosting if someone wants to claim you literally are killing people.
     xianc78 likes this.
   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:08 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to

     • Gabe
     So from reading between the lines, first of all I'll say it again: all big tech platforms have issues with non-EN moderation. The majority of the moderation team is focused on moderating Anglosphere countries and the second part is focused on moderating GAE subjects/countries. The rest they could not give a shit about and I've heard stories that outside EN big tech shit like CP is a massive problem.
     
     I'm not excusing it, if anything it's exactly why many countries will block FB/Google or will have most people on their own local clone of it.
     
     But this whole thing sounds a lot like "Facebook caused 1/6" and other fun stuff like that. It's not the magical algorithm causing something, but rather what people are saying all the time causing it, and it comes down to a userbase problem.
     xianc78 repeated this.
   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:09 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to
     The only thing related to violence I can think of that FB/Meta did was when the NZ shooter livestreamed it on FB. They also confirmed that nobody reported the video until it concluded 30 minutes ago, and that they made a good faith effort to remove reuploads.
     
     FB also will pull down shock videos if they're reported and they go to the EN moderation team. The issue with non-EN moderation (and sometimes corners of the site) is a universal problem with every big tech company. I'm also sure there's also a huge heavy load on a site the size of FB as well.
   • Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 04:57:09 JST Gabe

     in reply to

     @PurpCat@marsey.moe They're talking about this

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 05:03:30 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

     in reply to

     • Gabe
     @gabriel @PurpCat All it takes is a small and dedicated minority to keep pockets of it alive.
     xianc78 likes this.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 05:07:24 JST xianc78

     in reply to

     • Gabe

     @PurpCat @gabriel Honestly, we would probably be totally fucked if we end up having a Christchurch situation on the Fedi.

     After the 8chan-linked shootings, many hosting providers refused to allow imageboards to be hosted on their servers. And many of the bunker sites were attacked with CP spam and DDoS attacks. I can see something similar happening to the fedi.

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 05:25:46 JST xianc78

     in reply to

     • Gabe

     @PurpCat @gabriel GameLiberty, Liberdon, Baarag, and Pawoo all use Mastodon and they are not aligned with Eugen.

   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 05:25:47 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to

     • xianc78
     • Gabe
     I think they'll make sure to go after anyone who doesn't have lamb blood (Mastodon and/or a CoC) on their door.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 05:50:14 JST xianc78

     in reply to

     • Gabe

     @PurpCat @gabriel
     Poast might be the most likely because they have a fucking Wikipedia article now.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poast

     NCD seems to want to stay as small as possible. They even have registers set to manual-approval. Pieville is just a bunch of schizo boomers, and while Linder is a well-known Neo-Nazi, his type of Nazis, have pretty much fell off the radar as far as the media is concerned.

     GameLiberty used to have a pedo problem. It got so bad that Poast removed us from their federated timeline and almost defederated from us outright. Otherwise, we are relatively tame compared to instances like Poast or even Baest or FSE.

     Liberdon doesn't appear to be as active. A lot of the accounts on there are just bots repeating posts from Twitter. And I bet a lot of the users on there were bullied of the Fedi by the likes of Poast. Seriously just posting anything remotely libertarian will get you dogpiled by them like what happened to one libertarian blogger last month who merely just linked an article critiquing minarchism.

   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 05:50:15 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to

     • xianc78
     • Gabe
     Pawoo's the only one that has a CP spam problem out of those and I know mint or someone else with knowledge of the fedi pedo sphere speculated it was because of fedi pedos trying to get revenge at someone or something gay like that.
     
     Also Baraag and Pawoo are mostly apolitical and Baraag has users who will send reports if you say castrating kids is unethical and whatnot.
     
     GameLiberty and maybe Liberdon aren't too high profile either. I think if they went for instances, they'd go for Poast, NCD, and the "sphere" around it (nobodyhasthebiz, pieville, etc.) the most.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:02:13 JST xianc78

     in reply to

     • Gabe

     @PurpCat @gabriel I guess enough news outlets are claiming that Poast is an off-shoot of KiwiFarms that people think it justifies a Wikipedia article.

     Really the only think that KF and Poast have in common is their obsession with dissident-right grifters and the drama that surrounds them. But in reality, Poast is really just more like a cringier version of /pol/, but with IDs.

   • Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:02:14 JST Gabe

     in reply to

     • xianc78

     @xianc78@gameliberty.club Poast might be the most likely because they have a fucking Wikipedia article now.CTRL-F "Kiwi Farms" - 3 results
     
     @PurpCat@marsey.moe

   • PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:02:14 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)

     in reply to

     • xianc78
     • Gabe
     Here's the person who made the page, seems to make a lot of not notable pages and edit warred the KF article too.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Baratiiman