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1. Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:51:28 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
   https://twitter.com/bad_histories/status/1672745455170535426 It always comes back to that, doesn't it. Also it's curious how racial prejudice doesn't really factor much into morality until the 1960s onward, hence the need to apologize for the time period rather than question modern morality.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 02:54:25 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     Also in many cases people in bygone eras did dislike slavery and genocide, it's just that making observations and having opinions about different groups of people being thought of as "the worst thing imaginable" is a purely modern and absurd contrivance.
   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 03:03:27 JST Anime Wong

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     @ArdainianRight I've not looked too much into this part of history, but I do find it odd that Europe pretty much abolished slavery within it's own borders, while they let it slide and even partook in it within it's many colonies.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 03:03:27 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @Elliptica Slavery at different points in time was considered an extension of natural hierarchies, in which one would have dominion over another, but still be morally accountable to God in their treatment of them. In our democratic age such notions of responsible leadership are foreign, and those in power feel entitled to do as much as they can with said power that they can get away with. That's one area in which the democratization of the world has not been entirely positive.
   • VidMasterEon (vidmastereon@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 03:04:27 JST VidMasterEon

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     @ArdainianRight Fun fact
     Also i almost certain the faggot who runs the account is a jew
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   • Leaf Lord (leaflord@leafposter.club)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 03:05:02 JST Leaf Lord

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     The condition of one's slaves is a direct reflection of the master's household. Just like a lord has duties and obligations to his serfs, so too does the master have them to his slaves.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 03:10:25 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @Leaflord @Elliptica Obviously there were many times and places in which perverse and dehumanizing practices were commonplace, most notably the rape or castration of slaves. And simply outlawing slavery is a more reliable, just, and ethical solution than relying on any honor system, especially considering the gravity of such offenses. But to understand the past, it is necessary to understand the hierarchical and traditional worldview.
   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 03:10:31 JST Anime Wong

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     @Leaflord @ArdainianRight I think that's the thing. The type of slavery we saw in Europe (debt slaves, indentured slaves, peasants, serfs) were significantly different from the slaves we saw in places like Brazil and to some extent North America.
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   • Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:33:10 JST Lichelord Godfrey

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     @Elliptica @Leaflord @ArdainianRight Slaves in North America ate better and had better accommodations on average compared to the White working class of the time. You would have to go to some jew who owned slaves to see abuse, as they’re the ones who required their male slaves to be circumcised, or alongside the Arabs across the sea, castrated.

     I don’t know enough about Brazil or the rest of the Americas on slavery in general. I do know it’s unironically an anti-White blood libel by jews to claim that the few Whites who owned slaves in the USA were abusive. If anything, they were negrophilic, but in a paternalistic way rather than thinking they were “the same as us”.

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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:33:10 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @lichelordgodfrey @Leaflord @Elliptica I do remember reading a few first-hand accounts of former slaves, and most of them considered their masters to have treated them well.
   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:47:12 JST Anime Wong

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     @lichelordgodfrey @Leaflord @ArdainianRight Brazil, as far as I know, was a hell hole. A vast majority of the slaves brought over died, and were worked incredibly rough.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 06:49:18 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @Elliptica @Leaflord @lichelordgodfrey America was an anomaly as far as living conditions for African slaves went. Most other plantation economies in the Americas were pretty horrible, The US is the primary target for racial guilt and reparations because we have the most money to steal, not because America was worse than other places.
   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 10:09:46 JST Anime Wong

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     @lichelordgodfrey @ArdainianRight @Leaflord The impression I got was that it was a pragmatic choice. It's a hard sell to get most people to uproot themselves and move to an uncivilized continent. Slaves would have been a pragmatic choice to solve a labor issue with their mostly uninhabited colonies. If that sounds familiar to anything...
     
     Anyway, what I'm getting at is they obviously thought slavery was immoral, as they didn't bring them to Europe. Partially, that was probably due to a lack of need (there was plenty of workers there), but as we saw with the Arab states, that lack of need didn't stop them from owning slaves in huge numbers. They could have obtained slaves, but simply didn't. I just don't see how pragmatism won out over some moral choice in the first place. It seems many states, such as Britain, tried to end slavery, but mostly failed at that. Everyone seemed to know it was wrong, but they kept doing it.
     
     Maybe I answered my own question.
   • :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 10:09:46 JST :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad:

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     > It's a hard sell to get most people to uproot themselves and move to an uncivilized continent.
     
     Not at all, it was a very tempting prospect for many people. It just happens those people make terrible slaves. In some cases they were duped into becoming "indentured servants," though, and once their indenture ended they were denied the land and tools they were promised and had no choice but to remain slaves.
   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 10:09:47 JST Anime Wong

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     @ArdainianRight @Leaflord @lichelordgodfrey I think this is all missing my original question. What I believed, maybe falsely, is that slavery all but vanished in Europe because of Christianity. What I don't entirely get is why it vanished (more or less, depending on how technical you get) in Europe, but exploded in places like Brazil, the Caribbean, and the Southern States. I understand the Jewish involvement with the slave trade, especially in places like Brazil where they totally dominated the practice there, but I don't get why Christians tolerated it in colonies like the French did with Haiti.
   • Lichelord Godfrey (lichelordgodfrey@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 10:09:47 JST Lichelord Godfrey

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     @Elliptica @ArdainianRight @Leaflord Are there niggers in Europe in the 16th-18th centuries (or any time except for a bare handful of really lost slaves of Arab or Viking traders)?

     It’s a capitalist, and racial, mindset. Plus, once (largely jewish-owned) slave ships brought niggers to places like Haiti, it’s “too late”.

   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 26-Jun-2023 10:10:18 JST Anime Wong

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     @Eiregoat @ArdainianRight @Leaflord @lichelordgodfrey the impression I get is that most of the first Europeans who settled America were those with nothing or little left to lose back home. If it was easy to get the average person to come over, then why did they bother with slaves at all?