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1. ringo (ringo@talk-here.com)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:21 JST ringo

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   • LisPi
   @lispi314 @roboneko @newt
   
   
   i cant take this seriously, but also i think computers were a mistake.
   :)
   
   
   
   so i cant actually answer you.
   
   if you had it my way the entire world would find they had no money overnight,
   
   everyone would not owe anyone anything,
   
   the stupid people would probably kill eachother,
   
   and everyone else would go back to an agrarian lifestyle growing raising and shooting the food they eat,
   
   
   and that would be the end of it.
   
   <3
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   • LisPi (lispi314@mastodon.top)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:22 JST LisPi

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     @ringo @roboneko @newt Laser-printed spots on paper vs punched holes?

     I think the print might work slightly better, as I feel too many holes would weaken the paper too much.

   • ringo (ringo@talk-here.com)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:23 JST ringo

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     @roboneko @newt back to punch cards eventually ?
     
     :)
   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:24 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     @ringo @newt thinking about "easily writable" versus "physically durable" and I wonder if your best bet isn't a decently high resolution laser printer and paper suitable for archival
     
     or a microfilm printer. if we're encoding as a block grid similar to a QR code I wonder what sort of information density that medium can handle
     
     inb4 reinventing optical disks. I don't need to worry about the shelf life of laser printed paper. now we just need someone to work out a paper based parity specification similar to RAID ...
   • ringo (ringo@talk-here.com)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:25 JST ringo

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     @roboneko @newt
     
     yeah i hear you. i only know that of all the optical disks ive written, i tried recovering files off of one a few months ago (last year actually) and it took about 14 hours and i only got part of that 900mb back.
   • verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko: (roboneko@bae.st)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:26 JST verified neko :verified::verified::verified::makemeneko:

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     @ringo @newt yeah same. I dunno about modern ones but years ago the shelf lives for all the writable CDs that I tried were pretty terrible. might have just been that cheap ones were shit tho I never looked into it
     
     I don't think I've had a commercially produced CD fail on me due to age yet
     
     records made of stainless steel as a storage medium when? (I have no idea how you're supposed to write that at home)
   • ringo (ringo@talk-here.com)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:27 JST ringo

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     @roboneko @newt
     
     i will say this and only once.
     
     
     ALL the optical media i've spent so many countless hours burning, are absolutely trash and do not retrieve data.
     
     end of story.
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     @newt my cheap backup solution consists of multi-TB external drives, whatever happens to be the best price per TB at the time. I can certainly appreciate the aesthetic of optical disks. flash embedded in a chunk of metal is probably physically tougher than optical but I guess the shelf life is absolute shit in comparison
     
     any idea what the shelf life of 3D xpoint flash was?
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     @roboneko different tools for different purposes. Optical discs are awesome because they are much tougher than flash storage or spinning drives. Full-size bluray rocks as a cheap backup solution.
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     @newt yeah but a flash chip the size of my thumbnail can hold 128 GB for $8 or 1 TB for $80 :lain:
   • 💀💀💀 :0080: c̷̨̢̛̲̼̞̞͓̹͚̗̼͓͚͖͒̔̓̃̈̋̂́̏̆̐̐̈́̉͘͜ȑ̴̫͔͂̌̔̆̓͛͗́͐̍̃́̆ÿ̷̤̺̳̖͖͚͈́̄́͌͒͂͊͗̄̔̚p̶̢̧͇̞̯͍͇̤̖͖̙̫̪͋̏̃̃͗̎͜͝t̶͖̉̽̐̇i̴̭̜̼͖̬̽̀͆̃̓̂̚͝ͅc̸̡͙̪͎̫͚̫̘̱͚͔̫̣̣̒̃̋͜͝ 💀💀💀 :verified: (newt@stereophonic.space)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 17:02:31 JST 💀💀💀 :0080: c̷̨̢̛̲̼̞̞͓̹͚̗̼͓͚͖͒̔̓̃̈̋̂́̏̆̐̐̈́̉͘͜ȑ̴̫͔͂̌̔̆̓͛͗́͐̍̃́̆ÿ̷̤̺̳̖͖͚͈́̄́͌͒͂͊͗̄̔̚p̶̢̧͇̞̯͍͇̤̖͖̙̫̪͋̏̃̃͗̎͜͝t̶͖̉̽̐̇i̴̭̜̼͖̬̽̀͆̃̓̂̚͝ͅc̸̡͙̪͎̫͚̫̘̱͚͔̫̣̣̒̃̋͜͝ 💀💀💀 :verified:
     Make minidiscs cool again!
     
     On a related note. 50-pack of MiniBDRs costs like 25 bucks. Each can hold up to 7.5Gb of data.