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1. djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 01:54:55 JST djsumdog

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   I think I agree with you actually … and the fact is, America is still in decent shape, especially compared to the rest of the world. Revolutions are not good things. The most moral side is rarely the victor. (If Booth didn’t kill off Lincoln, we would have been headed towards a tyranny .. Lincoln was before term limits).

   Most Americas do not want the state to collapse. Especially any Christian who has done any mission work.

   I consider them like mutually assured destruction on a personal scale,

   Yes. True. but it scales up…

   it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government

   In a time with no globalism and where the colonies were sustaining themselves, the much smaller intrusion was enough that the rich/influential cult leaders got enough people to take up arms for glory and freedom.

   There is a lot more to lose now, but we’ve also gained a lot … we are no where near the tipping point … but when that happens, armed people will create and defend communities to survive … and by communities I do mean warlords and terrible situations.

   You don’t really ever want a revolution, but you should be prepared for when one comes.

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   • histoire (histoire@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 24-Jun-2023 02:57:31 JST histoire

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     Oh yeah, absolutely. As much fun as it is to LARP about it, a *real* war like that would be awful on every level.
     
     Unfortunately, state collapse leave big power gaps, so if you aren't ready to swoop in and take control, and let's be honest, how many people that you would want in power are, you have a huge vacuum that gets filled with the worst kind of people.
     
     In relation to all this, I think the way to avoid these things is to start working towards what the Afghanis have somewhat achieved (no not the Taliban). The reason that Afghanistan tends to be unconquerable is that they are made up a multiple tribes, and one agreement ends where the next tribe starts. The Irish had a similar thing and is why they were able to resist British rule for so long during the medieval period.
     
     That's kind of the idea behind the structure of America anyway, but we need to really embrace it. Then you have localized revolutions or breakdowns, or a simple return to tribal law (Somalis also did this after their socialist regime collapsed in the 90's, and it worked out relatively great).
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