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1. Rokosun (futureisfoss@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 19:44:41 JST Rokosun

   I don't think it was a good idea for instance admins to agree to talk to Meta under a nondisclosure agreement, but that DOESN'T make it an excuse for people to go and harass those admins. If anything they're the victims of Meta IMO, and a lot of them may still be in favor of blocking Meta regardless of whether they agreed to the meeting or not. I think we have to stick together in situations like this and act accordingly, keep in mind that "divide and conquer" is a proven strategy.

   • Aral Balkan repeated this.
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 19:44:38 JST Aral Balkan

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     @futureisfoss Working on it… :)

     https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/

     #SmallWeb

   • Rokosun (futureisfoss@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 19:44:40 JST Rokosun

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     • Aral Balkan

     Its also important to acknowledge that Fediverse has the same kind of design flaws that made it possible for Google to take over the email ecosystem with their Gmail service, @aral has written a blog post that explains this problem very well - https://ar.al/2022/11/09/is-the-fediverse-about-to-get-fryed-or-why-every-toot-is-also-a-potential-denial-of-service-attack/

     So the way to move forward would be to create a system which doesn't have these flaws, and the only way to do that is to somehow get rid of the power difference between the one who can run servers and the one who can't.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 19:49:23 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Jens Finkhäuser

     @jens @futureisfoss Eventually. It’s not an unsolvable problem if the network has enough nodes but it’s a huge one at the start concerning findability and availability. Think of always-on servers (owned and controlled by everyday people) as training wheels for the kind of world you describe. Given enough nodes and the proliferation of free and open devices (phones, etc.), anything could be an always on server in the future.

   • Jens Finkhäuser (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 19:49:30 JST Jens Finkhäuser

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     • Aral Balkan

     @futureisfoss @aral And if you follow this to its logical conclusion, maybe get rid of servers altogether.

     I mean, not necessarily *literally*. But if you can participate without having to set up *or* join a server, that'd be grand, no?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 19:51:24 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Jens Finkhäuser

     @jens @futureisfoss (Proprietary/centralised Big Tech will fight tooth and nail to make sure that doesn’t happen, of course.)

   • Popstar Tourist (octonion888@mastodon.online)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 01:05:30 JST Popstar Tourist

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     • Aral Balkan
     • Jens Finkhäuser

     @jens @futureisfoss @aral I've been thinking along similar lines. I have tremendous respect for Aral and what he's building but maybe for some use cases a domain-less solution would be an option? Maybe ActivityPub json (or other protocol) could be transmitted via email? Or a loose store-and-forward network like Usenet which is agnostic as to the underlying transport layer? To be sure this loses some functionality, but I can imagine upsides in some cases too.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Jun-2023 01:05:30 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Jens Finkhäuser
     • Popstar Tourist

     @octonion888 Thanks. And the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive either. It’s going to be fun looking at how different pieces do/don’t fit together once I’m finally done building infrastructure :)

     @jens @futureisfoss

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 15:56:33 JST Aral Balkan

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     • gcvsa ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭

     @gcvsa @futureisfoss Right, well, clearly some of us are just clueless about certain things apparently. 🤷♂️

   • gcvsa ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 (gcvsa@mstdn.plus)'s status on Thursday, 22-Jun-2023 15:56:35 JST gcvsa ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭

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     • Aral Balkan

     @futureisfoss @aral

     I'm a tech consultant who has been building email systems for over 25 years and using email for over 35 years.

     Google didn't "take over the email ecosystem", and any suggestion that they did so displays a complete lack of understanding of the email ecosystem.

     Gmail provided a better "free" email system than Hotmail, etc. There are many, many ways to use email that don't involve Google, many free or so low cost as to be insignificant.