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受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:40:51 JST 受不了包

i just took a look at mastodon.social and mstdn.social's timelines just to see and honestly if that's what i thought the fediverse was like i wouldn't have ever joined

In conversation Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:40:51 JST from misskey.bubbletea.dev permalink
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- Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat: (sjw@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:40:50 JST Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
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  @shibao @shibao this is what has happened to a bunch of people and they've written off the fediverse entirely.
  
  Actually, a few of Baest's users came from instances like those. They seemed like cool people so I hoped on an alt to explain why things are the way they are and that there's a whole fun side of the fediverse they can't even see.
  
  Most moved to either my instance or another one on this side of fedi and have been having fun ever since.
  
  A lot said they had read about the fediverse and wanted to check it out and were about to give it up because it was boring and super woke until I came along and they discovered the fun side of fedi.
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:40:50 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  - Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
  @sjw @shibao I landed on gameliberty by pure luck. Heard about mastodon from some tech tuber and looked up a mastodon instance finder. Searched for "game" and gl came up so I joined xD
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:42:15 JST xianc78
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  - :meru_B: b e a r d
  @beardalaxy @sjw @shibao I only joined by YandereDev created an account on here, but never used it. I thought that this would be the perfect place to post gamedev stuff.
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:48:53 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  - Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
  @xianc78 @sjw @shibao lol wut I had no idea yanderedev had a gl account
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 00:53:40 JST xianc78
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  - Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
  - :meru_B: b e a r d
  @beardalaxy @sjw @shibao I don't know if it was actually him. It was only one post saying that some people were pressuring him to join the fediverse, and he never posted anything after that.
  When Kiwifarms leaked his passwords a couple of years back, GameLiberty wasn't on there.
  
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- matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: (matrix@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 01:35:17 JST matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire:
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  @sjw @beardalaxy @xianc78 @shibao I assumed it's just a troll account. Used an temporary email address.
  
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- Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat: (sjw@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 01:35:18 JST Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
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  @xianc78 @beardalaxy @matrix @shibao @xianc78 @beardalaxy @shibao he did? :meru_whoa:
  cc @matrix when did that happen?
  
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- Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat: (sjw@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 01:43:18 JST Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
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  @matrix @beardalaxy @shibao @xianc78 @matrix @beardalaxy @xianc78 @shibao kind of disappointing but not surprised
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 01:47:26 JST xianc78
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  @sjw @beardalaxy @matrix @shibao I wish we had more gamedevs on here. I'm pretty sure we can have a few indies on here without destroying their reputation.
  
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- IT'S OPEN SEASON ON WHITE BITCHES 💢👊🚶‍♀️🔫 (cumskinfoidpuncher69420@beefyboys.win)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 02:26:29 JST IT'S OPEN SEASON ON WHITE BITCHES 💢👊🚶‍♀️🔫
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  >we can have a few indies on here without destroying their reputation.
  No you can't
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 02:26:41 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  @xianc78 @sjw @matrix @shibao yandere dev destroyed his own reputation lmao
  
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- matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: (matrix@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 02:27:42 JST matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire:
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  @xianc78 @sjw @beardalaxy @shibao Would be nice but the account would be a liability
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 02:43:21 JST xianc78
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  @matrix @sjw @beardalaxy @shibao For them or for the instance? There are some game studios who can get away with having a presence on more niche and edgy sites. Running With Scissors literally had an official board on 8chan back in the day. I'm not even joking. And there have been a lot of indie games that have been shilled on imageboards over the years.
  
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- matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: (matrix@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:05:55 JST matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire:
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  @xianc78 @sjw @beardalaxy @shibao for the devs, I guess it could be ok for some niche edgy devs
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:11:20 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  @xianc78 @matrix @sjw @shibao didn't some dev studio have a 8chan q&a that turned out pretty well? But then people told them 8chan had child porn on it or whatever so they issued an apology.
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:11:45 JST xianc78
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  @beardalaxy @matrix @sjw @shibao That was THQ Nordic.
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:12:31 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  @matrix @xianc78 @sjw @shibao it would work for devolver digital if they were actually edgy instead of faux-edgy
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:13:13 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  @xianc78 @matrix @sjw @shibao I feel like there is some serious untapped potential for certain studios doing stuff like this
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:21:18 JST xianc78
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  @beardalaxy @matrix @sjw @shibao Literally the only people who had a problem with the 8chan AMA were the journos, including Youtubers like ReviewTechUSA who made THREE VIDEOS regarding the situation. I've seen a lot of non-8chan users defending THQ and 8chan. At worst, they thought it was "unprofessional" but not something worthy of a boycott. There were also a few other companies who did similar threads on 8chan.
  Granted, all of these happened before the three mass shootings linked to 8chan, but fortunately, nothing similar has happened on the Fediverse (and hopefully never will).
  
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- matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire: (matrix@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:26:15 JST matrix07012 :thotpatrol: :cunnyEmpire:
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  @xianc78 @beardalaxy @sjw @shibao Journos matter more and THQ bowing down didn't have financial repercussions for them, so it only sends signal to other studios showing bad press isn't worth it.
  
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- ⛧Airgetlam⛧ (alex@wreck.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:35:43 JST ⛧Airgetlam⛧
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  @beardalaxy @xianc78 @matrix @sjw @shibao reminder that the whole "8chan is a cp haven" thing was a false flag operation
  
  In conversation Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:35:43 JST permalink
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:36:26 JST xianc78
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  @matrix @beardalaxy @sjw @shibao I think their stocks actually rose and they ended up buying more studios since the AMA. It probably actually helped them.
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 03:43:30 JST xianc78
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  @Alex @sjw @beardalaxy @matrix @shibao CP spam is a weapon use to take down sites that people don't like.
  
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- Tadano ❄️🎅 (tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 04:11:54 JST Tadano ❄️🎅
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  @Alex @sjw @beardalaxy @matrix @xianc78 @shibao Correct, Dan Olson posted CP to 8ch and then proceeded to report it IIRC
  
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- Coyote (coyote@social.singing.dog)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 04:25:56 JST Coyote
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  @xianc78 @beardalaxy @matrix @sjw @shibao Someone made a video of the fallout that spawned from that.
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 04:40:51 JST xianc78
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  @Coyote @beardalaxy @shibao I miss those kinds of videos.
  Alright, which instance admin is ready to have a major game developer/publisher do an AMA on here? I want to see the spectacular reaction on here and in the mainstream.
  CC: @sjw @matrix @Moon @p @graf @alex
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 04:43:22 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  @xianc78 @Coyote @shibao I think the best one would probably be an anime game hosting a q&a on baest lol. Like little witch nobeta or something.
  
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- Max Mustermann (maxmustermann@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:43:50 JST Max Mustermann
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  @Alex @sjw @beardalaxy @matrix @xianc78 @shibao The CP wasn't actually there. The cripple was just reluctant to put something effective in place. After CM took over, there was botmod.
  
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- PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:09 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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  dude holy shit there's some gems
  https://0w0.is/notice/AWjr89jWyjN6HH2fIW
  https://beach.city/@vantablack/110550943292746890
  https://neurodifferent.me/@magicalgrrrl/110544240637543048
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    Magical Grrrl Betty 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈 (@magicalgrrrl@neurodifferent.me)
    
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    #Emergency #MutualAidRequest ! Two homeless disabled trans people with chronic pain need help surviving. We have been living out of our van with our two cats. Having to sleep in the van has been causing us both to have flair ups. We currently have one more night booked at a Motel, and are looking for donations to be able to keep staying inside in a motel for our physical and mental health, along with being able to afford food, meds, gas, and more. Please boost and help us if you can! 💜🥺🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ https://fundrazr.com/b2Cdod?ref=ab_bBcZR2 My linktree also has direct links for Venmo, CashApp, and PayPal if anybody wanted to directly donate: https://linktr.ee/magicalgrrrl #MutualAid #TransCrowdFund #DisabledCrowdFund #homeless #trans #disabled #ChronicPain #ActuallyAutistic @mutualaid@a.gup.pe @mutual_aid@starflower.space
- Dreamsicle Glorious (orangeyis@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:10 JST Dreamsicle Glorious
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  @shibao @PurpCat @sjw @shibao Grifters be grifting!
  
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- Dreamsicle Glorious (orangeyis@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:11 JST Dreamsicle Glorious
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  @shibao @PurpCat @sjw @shibao Shit Noone Cares About.
  
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- PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:11 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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  oh right, and also ebegging bullshit too. See; #MutualAid and #MutualAidRequest as an example.
  
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- PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:12 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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  - Dreamsicle Glorious
  what is sncai
  
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- PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:13 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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  Yep, someone I knew who was mentally broken tried Mastodon in the early days as a hip trendy Twitter alternative.
  
  In just a few months he had new pronouns and not long afterwards he ditched his family. True story.
  
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- Dreamsicle Glorious (orangeyis@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:13 JST Dreamsicle Glorious
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  @shibao @PurpCat @sjw @shibao It'd be nice if those users made more effort to send more posts reaching its character limit instead of spamming the WKN with SNCA!
  
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- Dreamsicle Glorious (orangeyis@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:14 JST Dreamsicle Glorious
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  @shibao @sjw @PurpCat @shibao Mastodon't.
  
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- PurpCat (V2) (need more art) (purpcat@marsey.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:15 JST PurpCat (V2) (need more art)
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  @sjw @shibao literally why I avoided the Fedi for years too it seemed like a dumpster fire and I heard groomer stories too
  
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- Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat: (sjw@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:57:15 JST Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
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  @shibao @PurpCat @shibao the groomers are mostly on woke mastodon instances
  
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- Dreamsicle Glorious (orangeyis@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:58:27 JST Dreamsicle Glorious
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  @shibao @PurpCat @sjw @shibao Not my fault those niggas didn't trust Andy Yang's plan! :02_laugh:
  
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- 受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 05:59:08 JST 受不了包
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  why are they so worried about the meta takeover their timelines have already been bleached harder than mr. clean magic eraser commercials
  
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- Max Mustermann (maxmustermann@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:27:16 JST Max Mustermann
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  @beardalaxy @sjw @matrix @xianc78 @shibao @Alex Only links to that garbage. There were some unironic pedo boards though. Some of them even split off to its own 8ch instance until the admin from there ended up v&, lol.
  
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- :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:27:17 JST :meru_B: b e a r d
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  @maxmustermann @sjw @matrix @xianc78 @shibao @Alex I was gonna say, from what I remember there were people wondering if by CP they meant loli because there was never any CP.
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 06:38:47 JST xianc78
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  @Tadano @sjw @beardalaxy @matrix @shibao @Alex It amazes me to see how people will go out of their way just to take such a site offline. Some will even go to your house and destroy the server if they can.
  
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- Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat: (sjw@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 10:19:55 JST Your New Kemono Waifu :verified: :cornbread_the_cat:
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  @shibao @shibao yee mastodon is pretty much the only one ever talked about. 95+% of mastodon instances subscribe to a pretty much standardized instance block list. Ergo new people who only know about mastodon will never see any fun stuff, only woke stuff, and they won't even know the fun stuff exists.
  
  I was lucky in that I knew about Mastodon from pawoo. I made an account on pawoo and played with it for a few minutes and decided to spin up my own and see if I could find English speakers. I figured I'd get board with it within a week or two and I'd move on to something else.
  
  Here I am over 4 years later still hosting it. Except now I have around $3k worth of computer equipment just for hosting it. I also have a Cornbread that fedi helped me afford to take in which I'm eternally grateful for.
  
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- 受不了包 (shibao@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Jun-2023 10:19:56 JST 受不了包
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  @sjw@bae.st i didn't think "dark fedi" was real but maybe it is, aka actual fedi
  
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