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https://twitter.com/HandMissals/status/1669011382396760066 Right-wingers can far more easily admit the deficiencies of the past than progressives can admit the present is lacking in any meaningful way relative to the past. I don't think anyone is trying to bring back medieval healthcare when they point out a sense of community and the transcendent are good and valuable things our modern age is lacking.
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@mrsaturday The point of looking to stuff like that isn't to say everything about the Middle Ages was better. If anything, it should be to imagine what we could accomplish if we combined our immense modern wealth and technology with that kind of spiritual strength and common purpose. We are more than what we have become.
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@ArdainianRight As much as those types like to bloviate about "community" and "solidarity", the notion of a people coming together from all strata to produce something beautiful and that everyone can be proud of is such a foreign concept to them. Honestly, I think it's because they fundamentally don't know what a society like that looks like and want to chase the notion of having one without admitting that all of those institutions they've concern-trolled to death were centerpieces of what used to be "the community".
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@ArdainianRight I mean, what would something similar look like to your modern Anglo Marxist? A semi full of taxpayer-funded food parked in front of a block of apartments, with a cornucopia of humanity all standing together and negotiating who gets what so everyone's interests are served? I get a lot of Marx's critiques of capitalism, but the stark materialism of the "solutions" leave society soulless and turn us into little more than a herd of cattle.
I think the problem is that we don't dream anymore and haven't for a very long time. Our "visionaries" are fellow insects like Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos. Everything's about the now. Those old women financing a cathedral they'll never see finished is what a healthy society looks like and we won't see attitudes like that in our lifetimes. I know millennials know this is wrong, I hear the snark about inheritances getting turned into cruises and RVs all the time, but I don't see any attempts to right the ship, only bitch that their pile of crap isn't as nice as Daddy's.
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@mrsaturday Elon Musk is the biggest prominent visionary right now. That is not a good thing. I wouldn't consider him to be a bad guy, but he's also a materialist. We have neglected our spiritual dimension, and not even simply in a religious way. This is why we are so frail even in the midst of abundance.
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@ArdainianRight I was going to say, Musk and SpaceX are the closest we have, and all that's trying to do is put America's space program back where it was 40-50 years ago. Now he's become public enemy #1 to terminally online libs thanks to Twitter, and ask Trump, Shkreli, and the crypto industry how that ends.
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@mrsaturday We have no far-reaching organized and coordinated efforts to build anything of value, all collective efforts are dedicated to tearing down.
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@ArdainianRight @mrsaturday It makes sense that a White population with good, Christian values would gradually achieve real progress and make life better for their children.
The problem today is that our current values are shit (hence with garbage like #PrideMonth) is celebrated, and that White Europeans have been brainwashed into hating themselves and are increasingly being Replaced with inferior races (and that's not getting into all the problems that Diversity inherently brings with it). Whatever progress we're still achieving is superficial, and powered by the dying embers of White, Christian civilization.
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@ArdainianRight It's been demonstrated time and time again that rightwingers have a more balanced understanding of their own ideology's virtues and vices, as well as a better understanding how leftists think than leftists have of how rightwingers think. The real question is if this is actually a weakness, or if the leftist victories are purely due to subversion and institutional support, not their fanaticism.
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@mrsaturday @ArdainianRight To the extent that Musk has a strategy, I think it's that he's made himself indispensable. Earlier it was just an optics thing - he's the one guy providing the illusion of anything other than universal decline, and without him it becomes clear that the U.S. in its current form is falling apart.
Now, though, Starlink is vital to that big war everyone in D.C. loves. Being the only guy competent enough to make something essential work provides some degree of security.
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@AmericanChampion @mrsaturday That assumes the system is smart enough to not cannibalize itself, which is not guaranteed.
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@ArdainianRight @mrsaturday The people at the top know that getting rid of the guy who's holding their war effort together is risky. It took them several years and the loss of every other possibility to try to railroad Trump, and there the big risk is/was that it'd lead to Troubles-style civil conflict. Getting rid of someone they *need* rather than a popular person that they dislike is something with immediate, guaranteed consequences rather than probable, delayed consequences.
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