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1. fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 03:21:45 JST fu

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   @thatguyoverthere no human being is illegal.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 03:21:44 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @fu the term illegal alien has been used for decades. It clearly doesn't mean that a person is illegal but that they are not legally permitted to be within the country. You can choose more flowery language, but it means the same thing.
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     @fu If you read nothing else, read this: it's only dehumanizing if you pretend it means something it doesn't.
     
     I don't necessarily agree with all laws, but I do think that there is an argument to be made that borders are real. I don't want randos trampling through my yard either. The border may be "imaginary" in a manner of speaking, but so is much of what we bother ourselves with on the day to day.
     
     As far as whether or not they commit other crimes while in the country, they often do. Some of the crimes are harmless. Others are not. The point of having a border is to allow you to filter the people that wish to gain entry to the space you inhabit. That means having an opportunity to screen for rapists.
     
     As much as I am not a fan of the work our government does around the world, I don't really think leaving borders open for anyone and everyone who wants to cross is a smart move. The one excuse we get for why we pay taxes is safety and security (ignoring muh roads for a moment). Pissing people off around the world and then inviting them in without any critical evaluation seems to me to be counterproductive. I don't expect the government to stop pissing people off any time soon, so I'd like if we could just keep an eye on who enters. It's crazy because for me to fly in country (not even leave) I need to let TSA rape me, but it's totally cool to just have whoever coming in on foot.
     
     I also don't think we should pay an income tax, but I think the whole idea of hiring migrant workers to do menial tasks is kind of fucked up. Not only are there likely local people who are without jobs, but it's kind of an insult to those people who are willing to work for wages that are unacceptable to a citizen who knows what they should be paid. The whole "they do the work you don't want" trope is bullshit. I had to leave construction which I loved because no one wanted to pay anyone anything because illegal labor is totally :blob_sunglasses:
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 03:49:03 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere its specifically meant to dehumanize them. They crossed an artificial line used to control people without permission from the guy with the shiny badge. Even if you are inhuman enough to think that "law" is just, its only that particular edict they violated. There is no reason to group such individuals together with a label, let alone a dehumanizing label, than it is folks who let their lawn grow too high.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 03:52:50 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @fu I also want to take a moment and point out the irony of your claim that a person who believes "law" is just must be "inhuman". Now the term inhuman is a truly dehumanizing term. It really can't be taken any other way. So why is it ok for you to dehumanize someone, but I can't even use a phrase which has been quite common for my entire life because to you it feels like I am dehumanizing someone. Either it's wrong to dehumanize people or it isn't. Please pick a lane.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 05:43:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @fu United States is also a real entity with real borders. Some of the land was acquired through war. Other through purchase. It exists and has real and agreed upon borders both internally and externally. Mexico and Canada aren't contesting the lines that are on the map. The border is so real that it's worth trying to cross it illegally to obtain greater prosperity. It's not as if people accidentally end up in the USA. Many risk all kinds of horrors to come here in groups led by potentially very cruel smugglers.
     
     It's not as if we have no policy for how to enter the country either. This is less like saying "you can't have friends over" and more like saying "just knock when you get here". It's courteous to enter a state at approved locations. Please don't just come through my kitchen window or knock out the wall of my laundry room to come in. That's all I'm asking.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 05:43:33 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere private property lines are a completely different than than national borders. Your argument is that I should not be allowed to welcome my friends to my house, because my neighbor doesn't like them. You are indicating that I don't actually own my own land, and that whatever "rights" i have to it are only privileges given by another collective and can be restricted anytime they so fit. Thats' absolutely bolonga.

     Rape is not cool, whether it be down by someone who happens to have been born somewhere else, a government thug like a TSA agent, or (most commonly) by one's boyfriend.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 05:51:03 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @fu > You are indicating that I don't actually own my own land, and that whatever "rights" i have to it are only privileges given by another collective and can be restricted anytime they so fit.
     
     Actually yeah. Your property rights are guaranteed/protected by the state. Some states have better property rights protections than others. This is why you can't just go build a fence that encroaches your neighbor's property. It's also the reason a road to your property probably exists.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 05:56:05 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @EvilSandmich @fu It's also not really the analogy I would have used because we're not talking about "friends". we're talking about strangers, and we're (I'm) not saying the border needs to be entirely closed, but there are ports of entry and processes that should be followed (as bureaucratic and annoying as they might be). If those processed can be improved that's fine, but while there is an approved process it's really more like asking someone to ring the doorbell or knock instead of just barging in unannounced, and maybe putting up a "no solicitors" sign.
     
     We even have special rules to speed the process along for political refugees, but there is no reason to pretend that everyone coming to our border is a political refugee. Especially if right out of the other side of your mouth you are going to say the state has no right to exist when you are expecting them to protect these refugees.
   • EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 05:56:06 JST EvilSandmich

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     @fu @thatguyoverthere >"I should not be allowed to welcome my friends to my house, because my neighbor doesn't like them"
     This is just a slightly polished up version of the dreadful argument for "authentic individualism", i.e. "I'm allowed to ruin my community in any way I please because I live here and no one is allowed to keep me from ruining it".
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     @fu same roots, same insinuation.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 05:57:16 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere sorry typo, should have read "inhumane."
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     @fu @EvilSandmich they are separate issues. Conflating them is silly. They can get visas to enter the country. Once they do you are more than welcome to invite them over. You act as if there is no tourism industry in the US.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 07:12:08 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere ARE YOU SURE? I'm not allowed to invite my friends from Inida to my house. Its a very real situation.

     I might be happy if we re-instanted Ellis-island style immigration policy, but that shouldn't even be necessary.

   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 07:12:21 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere if governments weren't making so many damn roads, GM would be producing Jetsonmobiles by now. I WANT MY JETSONMOBILE!
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     @fu you still don't have to worry about your neighbor taking your land away by force because there are protections in place. Yes though I think we have enough roads.
   • Bushranger Jesus (oldm8@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 11:16:49 JST Bushranger Jesus

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     @thatguyoverthere @fu https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw
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     @OldM8 @fu yeah I don't know. This video supports the idea that both sides take borders very seriously. Sure the lines aren't straight but why should they be?
     
     Anyway the point of the meme wasn't to start a big debate on whether or not national borders are real. It was mocking Obama for using them as a distraction. It's funny because in my experience the ones quickest to police language on these issues are themselves exploiting people for their own political agendas.
   • Bushranger Jesus (oldm8@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 15-Jun-2023 18:59:04 JST Bushranger Jesus

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     @thatguyoverthere @fu tru, hence why I'm a nihilist in this sense and enjoy shitting on all political ideologues
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 00:00:57 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @fu :ablobsunglasses: cool. I think in our current society if you were to take matters into your own hands over land disputes you have a good chance of finding yourself behind bars. I know a person who defended themselves on private property from trespassers and was charged with murder. We'll see what happens when the case is tried. Hopefully she isn't convicted.
     
     Generally speaking most towns won't even let you put up a perimeter fence without first consulting with the municipal planners to make sure you actually have the rights to the planned fence location. It can be even worse if you happen to live under the rule of an HOA and your neighbors don't want you to have a fence or have funny rules about what kind of fencing is appropriate. Where I live I can repair/replace existing fence, but if I want to put a fence where one does not exist on the perimeter of my yard, I have to get a permit.
     
     You aren't even technically allowed to do a lot of remodeling without permits and licenses. It's stupid, but it's the world we live in.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 00:00:59 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere that is only my responsibility not the responsibility of any one else
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     @fu @EvilSandmich it's still a separate issue. In the meantime they can always come through the southern border with a high chance of success :smirk:
     
     the whole point of the meme really had nothing to do with the language. It was a joke about Obama exploiting one group to distract from exploiting another group. The preferred language for people who are not citizens and have not obtained "legal" visas to enter the country doesn't really matter to me. I don't play those games. You can keep up to date on the latest newspeak all you want. It's really just more distractions and I don't have the bandwidth.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 00:07:44 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere no, I'm speaking the truth that my friends don't have visas so they can't come visit. Particularly from south asia, america is f'n dicks.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 00:28:26 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @fu @OldM8 Again with the language policing. Not only do I think a binary classification system where no one can quite figure out the line between the values is useless, but in the case of the meme and my use of the word "class" (short for classification) I am referring to a "group". There are clearly 2 classifications of people being talked about in the meme. Illegal Immigrants (undocumented whateverthefuckyouwanttosay) and citizens of Ferguson are two distinct groups.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 00:28:27 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere @OldM8 there are only two classes, the working class and the boss class. The additional labels are created by the boss class to divide the working class, the larger of the two classes, and maintain control.
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     wow you are very smart where did you go to college?
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     @fu @OldM8 then why do you keep trying to pin me for thought crimes :Thinker:
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 00:49:21 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere @OldM8 I'm not the language police, ACAB.
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     @Soy_Magnus @fu yeah I wasn't there, but the way I understand it there were some poachers on a friend of a friend's land, and when confronted they tried to shoot their way out of it. They injured the property owner before being shot themselves. She ended up being charged.
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     @thatguyoverthere @fu guns are the only real Crucifier there. If you don't use a gun and you just beat the tar outta the dude, toss him in your trunk, and drop him off in the middle if nowhere word will get around of your heroic deeds and he won't snitch on himself. I'm also very fond of guard dogs a dog will scare an intruder away before an event even happens and they can hear smell and see things on a level truly enviable to humans. Only someone with a personal vendetta against you will continue after you if you have a guard beast
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     @Soy_Magnus @fu I completely agree with having a good guard beast
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     @thatguyoverthere @fu oooh a long hair Siamese and a shepherd of some sort¿
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     @Soy_Magnus @fu he's an American Akita. They are mixed with a mastiff of some kind if I remember correctly. A bit bigger than the Japanese pure breds, but they also have a bit more variety in their coloration.
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     @fu @EvilSandmich I don't watch the news and fedi is the only socials I use homie. You really aught to work on telling the difference between statements of fact and jest. I added the smirk to indicate it was not a serious recommendation. That said if you think our border does not have a lot of people crossing it outside of ports of entry on a regular basis, you've been consuming too much alternative media.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 03:02:57 JST fu

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     they can always come through the southern border with a high chance of success

     
     If you think this is true you have been consuming way too much main stream media
     Even if it where true it would still be entirely unacceptable to request my friends travel thousands of miles out of the way just to visit.

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     @Soy_Magnus @admin @fu yeah I'm not really sure what he is. He looks a bit different from thor's ragdoll, but he also does get matts in his fur. He's a good cat. We've had him a little over a year at this point I think. I'm not much of a cat person myself, but he's cool. We get along great. Jen's actually kinda pissed because he almost seems to prefer me over her, and she's the cat person haha.
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     @admin @fu @thatguyoverthere oh boy I've always wanted a ragdoll! I've had 1 main coon and 2 Norwegian forest cats. Snowflake was the biggest and she would just walk around bullying all the other cats it was funny he was a monseter. She would just slow walk up to then and bap the other cats on the head and they we're so afraid of her they would just curl up and cower. She would stretch up my let while I was standing and she wanted attention and she would reach half way up my torso
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     @Soy_Magnus @thatguyoverthere @fu The cat looks like it could be either a Himalayan or a Ragdoll, which are both essentially crossings of a Persian with a Siamese.
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     @admin @fu @thatguyoverthere there been some interesting Cases that've set some unsettling precedence in recent, one where a person said, "I need my lawyer dog" and the police argued he was asking for a dog that was registered with the attorneys bar and were able to tag him with a refusal to comply and defacto get a conviction for whatever he was charged t
     With. I keep it concealed and act cordial so they don't go full agro on me but I plan to preficit with "am I being detained¿" asked over and over again until I get a clear and concise answer. If yes then respond with, "I'm evoking my Miranda rights and fourth amendment until I've spoken with legal counsel". If no then you have to hammer them over and over with," so I'm free to leave¿" if you dont theyll try to coerce you into staying and conversing with them. If thwy say your free just say have a nice day officer ans walk off legally these things seem the most viable and I've seen them used often with the sovereign citizen movement.
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     @Soy_Magnus @thatguyoverthere @fu The 5 most important words to use when dealing with cops: I. Have. Nothing. To. Say.
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     @thatguyoverthere @fu that's a tough one. I wasn't there either but I know most people are so eager to talk to police they incriminate themselves not buy their actions, but by falling into word traps when the police interrogate them. Remember, never talk to a cop with out a lawyer u see all the high profile ceos and politicians do it and there's a reason. They know how the system works
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     @thatguyoverthere @fu he looks like a perfect woofer. I used to hate dogs then I realized it's not per se the dogs, but the owners and how they let them behave. A week trained animal is great even if they have an issue here and there mine is an Australian Shepherd and kelpie mix so she he's done behavioral issues she has a very deep seated kill drive to chase things but she tries to control it. She's a damn runner too she loves solo adventures
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     @fu @EvilSandmich
     
     > In FY 2021, CBP recorded a total of 1.72 million enforcement encounters, including 146,054 encounters of unaccompanied children, 478,492 encounters of individuals in family units, and 1,098,500 encounters of single adults.
     
     These are big numbers, and they only account for the fraction of people that were picked up. I don't feel like looking it up, but I think the estimate is somewhere below 10% are apprehended. If 20 million people enter a country of 300 million people for 5 years, that's 1/3 of the population (assuming they all stayed). That's a lot of damn people.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 03:44:36 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere a lot is a relative term. There is no reason anyone should have to risk life and limb to practice the God given right of migratoin.
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     @fu @EvilSandmich even if it were only 1/10th of the population over a 5 year period that's quite high if you ask me. It also doesn't take into consideration the people who do obtain entry through the legal process.
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     @fu @EvilSandmich also question on the right to migration. What exactly does this right entail? How do property rights work with this right to migration? You've indicated already that you believe property rights exist, and it's your right and duty to protect your property. What if a person decides to migrate onto your property? They are just exercising their rights :shrugz:
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     @fu @thatguyoverthere Why don't you go live with your friends? 🤔
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     @thatguyoverthere @admin @fu yup that's cats. Unless its me, cats gravitate to the people who like them the least its the rule of cat
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     @fu @thatguyoverthere >"God given right of migratoin"
     So this god doesn't care who I want to live next to, nope, the people in my town and state will be determined, not by the people who live here, but by whoever can game the visa system and/or pay off criminals for a border crossing, just as god intended.
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     @fu @EvilSandmich I don't have time to finish reading it right now, but I got to the part about Maryland and Virginia, and 2 thoughts came to mind.
     
     1. I can guarantee that both MD and VA try to figure out how many people enter and exit their state every day. They use those numbers to justify all kinds of things.
     
     2. Try to leave NJ. There are a few free bridges out of the state, but most exits require a toll. The old saying when I lived there was it's the only state you could enter for free, but had to pay to leave :smirk: No constitutional amendment was required for them to charge people to leave the state.
   • fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 05:58:55 JST fu

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     @thatguyoverthere no they aren't. One person's rights where they infringe on another. So just like its immoral for you to prevent my Indian friends from visiting, it would similarly be immoral for them to come to your house without your permission. Jacob Hornberger explains it much better than I.
   • EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 06:23:59 JST EvilSandmich

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     @fu @thatguyoverthere You speak of "rights" and "morals", that stuff is all relative homie, it's meaningless outside of your appeal to the authority of the Empire of Child Molesters. For myself if it isn't good for my people, it's immoral, if someone is doing something bad for my people, they get no rights, simple as. And yet you want us to import people from a country you can't even stand to live in yourself because the people there ruined it.
     Where's the appeal? How's that good for us?
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     @fu @EvilSandmich Also a point about entering Maryland. Unless you are familiar with their laws ahead of time and prepare, you could very easily unknowingly become a felon the second you cross the border. They have much more restrictive gun legislation than their neighbors.
     
     This article argues that people should enter through designated points of entry. That's actually all I'm saying. I never said that we don't need to figure out better ways to streamline the process. I do think that some documentation about how many people enter the country is a good idea, and as long as I am subject to the security state I see no reason for someone to be allowed to sail beneath the radar just because they were born somewhere else. You want to talk about ending PATRIOT Act nonsense which includes DHS and CBP I'm all in. You want me to say that the border is imaginary and that people should be able to cross wherever and whenever they damn well please I'm gonna have to object.
     
     As for migratory workers, I have to say that in my experience, they don't go where the pay is high, they accept ultra low wages which pushes wages down for everyone else. After a while it becomes a meme "they pick your food and clean your toilets". "These are jobs no one else wants" (now that the wages have been depressed as long as they have).
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 07:15:56 JST Moon

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     @thatguyoverthere @EvilSandmich @fu for any job that people claim nobody wants to do, see if white people did them 30 years ago when the wages were okay
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   • Store-Brand Pikachu (pcachu@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 07:16:03 JST Store-Brand Pikachu

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     @Moon @thatguyoverthere @EvilSandmich @fu they've always been "jobs Americans won't do (for what you can get away with paying an illegal to do them)"
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   • Bushranger Jesus (oldm8@blob.cat)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 09:12:34 JST Bushranger Jesus

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     @thatguyoverthere @fu "The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual crime." - Stirner
     
     > You want me to say that the border is imaginary and that people should be able to cross wherever and whenever they damn well please I'm gonna have to object.
     
     Okay, but have you considered the following argument:
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   • sim@shitposter.club's status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 19:10:28 JST sim

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     @Moon @thatguyoverthere @EvilSandmich @fu It's worth considering that white people have always done the jobs that no one else wanted to do before migration became big. It was a lot worse the further you go back too. A lot more manual work that someone had to do. White people did those before the pay and conditions were better. Unfortunately, some of that was down to slavery of white people or being a part of the peasantry, and then later on they had to pay a bit better for the dirty work. White people have been miners where even children were involved, then the industrial revolution opened up more roles. White people got rid of the shit in the streets, white people worked in the fields, looked after animals.
     
     You used to be proud of the working class role you had, it was passed down through the generations. White people used to be proud to be a family of miners or truck drivers and the younger generation aspired to this. Honestly, this idea of better conditions and pay is more of a recent attitude, perhaps because of being pushed through the education system, being told constantly that we have these attitudes and corporation targets/quotas to fill which make it impossible to maintain. I think the government and corporations want us to think that we have this attitude that there are jobs we wouldn't do so they can bring an underclass in to do them, and it is a pretty upper class attitude to take when you think about it.
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   • EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 16-Jun-2023 22:13:32 JST EvilSandmich

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     @sim @Moon @fu @thatguyoverthere Well put.
     It's telling though that if all the fortune 500 CEOs died in a massive plane crash nobody would even notice, but if the guys who worked at the sewer plant died in a bus crash it would be a regional emergency. Everyone used to know that, and certainly part of importing a new working class of strangers is so that "cloud" people don't have to have any egalitarian feelings (either naturally for forced) for the working class.
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