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Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 31-May-2023 21:37:10 JST 
Anime Wong
@galena @noyoushutthefuckupdad @coolboymew To be fair, most of this isn't so ridiculous. A lot of technology is not as complex as we like imagine, and even what we'd consider primitive people often had access to lots of surprising raw materials. Primitive tech does not need to compete with modern tech to be useful, it just needs to out perform everything else in it's place.
The bigger issues are:
>The timescales involved with making something, without a single mistake in the design.
>Lack of trained craftsmen/economy of scale. There should be no way that Senku could have made working vacuum tubes, even if he had all of the materials and knowledge needed to do it.
>There is no way anyone could remember how to do all of that stuff perfectly.
But the point of a show like Dr. Stone isn't to be realistic. It's about a kid who is an unparalleled genius showing us how technology works at a very basic level.- cool_boy_mew likes this.
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Author (anime@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:05:26 JST 
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@Elliptica @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad Isekai in general is extremely formulaic about the inventions they bring out: water pump, skin products. Dr.Stone at least has the variety. It pays for it with a loss of the "magical realism" aka fidelity. One other work that took an interesting middle ground was "Sengoku Komachi Kuro-tan"[1]. It had all kinds of low-tech equipment to grow rice, which only took knowledge and absolutely was plausible. Frankly it was shocking that it took until 19th century to invent some of it.
1: https://mangadex.org/title/a4304d3b-191d-471f-8c78-353d403a35d0/sengoku-komachi-kuroutan-noukou-gigacool_boy_mew likes this.cool_boy_mew repeated this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:06:17 JST 
cool_boy_mew
@anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad the convo came in the podcast because we said that Ascendance of a Bookworm had some pretty realistic knowhow so far, something an average person could actually know -
Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:23:40 JST 
Dad
@Elliptica @anime @galena @coolboymew >that no one touches
Mushoku Tensei is the best isekai I've seen. It does so many things right, it's shockingly good in an oversaturated genre.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:23:41 JST
Anime Wong
@anime @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad And that stuff I wouldn't have much of an issue with. Being honest, I don't think most of the isekai I've read have actually trotted out engineering and reinvention as a plot device, at least not as a way to seriously advance the plot. What I've noticed more of is something along the lines like "I read my high school government text book, I can totally solve your political crisis, small nation that I was summoned to." These stories lack the wonder of actually being in a strange new world. Instead it's just a power fantasy for the reader with "modernist supremacist" themes, that we are smarter than our ancestors because we were born today and not then.
Isekai has a seriously untapped potential for story telling that no one touches. It's a shame that it's already played out. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:31:44 JST
Anime Wong
@noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @coolboymew Mushoku Tensei is good, but I think it's because it actually gives the main character a character. He has a back story, problems to work through. And same with the other characters The story itself doesn't diverge much from the usual formula.
I've had this story idea bouncing around my head for almost 2 years now, the basic idea is isekai a bunch of people who all knew each other and have them be reborn and raised in another world. How would they change? Would they still honor their friendship to you, or would they be totally devoted to their new life and relationships? I really like this idea of "this guy was once my best friend, but now I don't know if I can trust him, because we're technically from two rival nations now."
This is to say, I don't really know of too many isekai that play around with the genre like that.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Twoinchdestroya (twoinchdestroya@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:31:48 JST 
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@Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @coolboymew Write it
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:31:53 JST
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@Twoinchdestroya @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad do eet -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:37:06 JST 
DeadBead
@noyoushutthefuckupdad @Elliptica @anime @galena @coolboymew Now and Then, Here and There is pretty good for an isekai
Also Faraway Paladin. FP doesn't really do the whole "I am going to become famous and have bitches hang off my dick because I make a magic cellphone," shit. It is more about the cycle of reincarnation and the MC adapting to the world rather than making the world adapt to Reiwa Japanese sensibilities. Also it has amazing world building.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:37:47 JST
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@Bead @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad Faraway Paladin was one that so far, seemed like it didn't need to be an isekai
Second cours has yet to come, but it also needs to prove itself against it's great first arc -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:41:07 JST
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@Bead @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad I don't remember where the anime stopped, but they had gotten a team to beat mountain demons or something -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:41:09 JST
DeadBead
@coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad How far behind are you? Like they are reaching the end of the third or fourth arc already. Honestly it just keeps getting better. I aint going to spoil it for you but the last few issues have been insanely hype and the arc hasn't even reached its peak. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:43:02 JST
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@Bead @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad it did get an adaptation, 1 cour = 12 or 13 eps, basically 1 season
S2 is coming in Fall. One of those that came out during COVID and got fucked really hard production wise probably -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:43:03 JST
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@coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad Oh, I just read cour. I had no idea it was getting an adaption. -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:43:26 JST
DeadBead
@coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad Yeah bro, we are way past that. Also if they are cramming all the way to there into a single cour they are fucking up. The entire first cour should have been Will's childhood and culminated with the battle against Stagnant. They are cutting a LOT of corners and it isn't going to be for the best. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:44:27 JST
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@Bead @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad the battle against Stagnant was like ep 5 -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:56:42 JST
Anime Wong
@coolboymew @Twoinchdestroya @anime @galena @noyoushutthefuckupdad I've actually been trying for a while now, with little success. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:57:05 JST
DeadBead
@coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad Wow, they fucked up hard. Did they try to make it an action series or something? It is a very slow and methodical story about the isekai world that a man from our world has coming to terms with as he tries living up to the values his adopted parents taught him. Some arcs are action based, but for the most part there is a huge focus on world building. From politics, to religion, magic, the customs and cultures of different races; it is all focused on trying to make this other world as fleshed out as possible so that narrative can focus on Will's attempts to understand it with the framework of his outsider's perspective. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:57:11 JST
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@Bead @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad yeah it's probably not a great adaptation -
Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:57:15 JST
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@Elliptica @anime @galena @Twoinchdestroya @coolboymew sup, failed author bro cool_boy_mew likes this. -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 00:57:19 JST
DeadBead
@coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad I am aware of what a cour is, hence why I reread was suprised because I can't remember hearing about it get an adaptation. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Ulperioleri (ulperioleri@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 01:08:14 JST 
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@Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @coolboymew A sort of half-assed attempt at handling that idea was in the later "Reincarnated as Spider" Lnovels, where after 18+ years, a whole classroom worth of kids ,who are all big heroes at various kingdoms and factions, meet and discover that the greatest enemies of their nations are often their former friends. Tho that story rarely developed it beyond
>"Kisame! You were my classmate once, how could you be a monster and kill humans!?!?!"
>"Its the only way, also i was born a monster. But i guess that is pretty messed up."
>"Come, Kisame! Stop and surrender! Somehow, i will promise not to kill you."
>"lol no."cool_boy_mew likes this. -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 01:09:13 JST
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@coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad And also not quite right. A cour is a calendar season, the reason it is used instead of season is because in anime a season refers to a single production run, with some anime seasons lasting multiple cours. I don't know how common it is now, but back when I stopped watching anime most anime seasons were two cour. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 01:09:37 JST
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@Bead @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad now 2 cours stuff are now split cours, hence the terrible part 1/part 2 shit -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:06:10 JST
Anime Wong
@ulperioleri @noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @coolboymew That's one of the big ones that inspired me. I didn't really like how it handled much of any of it because it was half assed, and I wanted that story done right. I've said it many times already, but the sad part about Kumo Desu is the plot is really more about subverting isekai tropes than it was actually wanting to tell a story. So it landed on these great ideas, and did nothing with them
There is another much older story (circa 90's) that played with people switching bodies (and loyalty with it) that did this much better overall, but it's not an isekai.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:06:42 JST
Anime Wong
@coolboymew @anime @galena @noyoushutthefuckupdad Ascendance of a Bookworm is one of my favorite isekai for that reason. She wants to make paper, something she knows exists and knows a little about, but doesn't actually know how to make it. Then most of the story is about trial and error. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:06:49 JST
Anime Wong
@noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @Twoinchdestroya @coolboymew In think it's just a bit too much for me to do all at once. I should focus on writing shorter stories before I try to write some grand epic. Also, I need to accept my own advice and realize that whatever I write will probably trash for now thanks to my lack of experience. I shouldn't be afraid to ruin a good idea and baby it instead, because hopefully I'll get better ones later on. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:10:26 JST
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@Elliptica @anime @galena @Twoinchdestroya @coolboymew just finish a novel and publish it, even on Amazon. even if it doesn't sell, you'll feel accomplished. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
DeadBead (bead@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:10:55 JST
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@ForbiddenDreamer @coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad The one with the gluttonous spidergirl and dragongirl nerd? It's okay. The world building feels kind of shallow to be honest. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
The Forbidden Dreamer (forbiddendreamer@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:10:56 JST 
The Forbidden Dreamer
@Bead @coolboymew @anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad They seem to do that a lot with isekais, Moonlit Fantasy being another example where they dropped a lot of the worldbuilding when they adapted it to animu. -
senn (3hu@cawfee.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:13:30 JST 
senn
@anime @galena @Elliptica @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad "Creature Girls: A Hands-On Field Journal in Another World" does it very well. Gunpowder, coal, and engines are banned from the start, so all the tech that's invented is wooden mechanical da-Vinci stuff. Also a lot of basic survival bushcraft is shown to the reader.
Taishi's character arc of being "incentivized" to share his knowledge to a kingdom by whore maids who hate him, making him run away to return to monkey with his goblin bros, then becoming the demon lord is one of the most fun character arcs I've ever read in manga.cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:13:36 JST
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@3hu @anime @galena @Elliptica @coolboymew another mango I need to read. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
senn (3hu@cawfee.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 02:15:04 JST
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @Elliptica @coolboymew It also has speculations about the anatomy of monsters and monstersgirls, and their non-human societies at the same depth as the inventions. Also anti-feminist monstergirls and lots of sexo. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 04:48:55 JST
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@anime @galena @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad how -
Author (anime@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 04:48:56 JST
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @galena @Elliptica @coolboymew I dropped Mushoku a little bit after the re-union with Paul. -
Author (anime@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 04:51:49 JST
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@coolboymew @galena @Bead @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad Speaking of adaptation screw-ups, Michibiki anime made me rage so hard. I don't follow WN/LN, but the manga was pretty phenomenal. Anime was garbage tier. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 04:52:23 JST
cool_boy_mew
@anime @galena @Bead @Elliptica @noyoushutthefuckupdad this?
https://myanimelist.net/anime/43523/Tsuki_ga_Michibiku_Isekai_Douchuu -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:02:15 JST
Anime Wong
@anime @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad Basically, but he's on another planet, so I somewhat count it.
To be clear, I know that my definition of isekai differs from most peoples. To me, it's a story where the main character gets trapped in another place/world/time without easy access back to his old world, and so has to live there. The fact that he's trapped in this place has to be the main focus of the story. -
Author (anime@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:02:16 JST
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@Elliptica @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad I thought Martian was more of a higher tech Robinson Crusoe. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:02:17 JST
Anime Wong
@anime @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad I've not read it, actually I've not read much of anything from Jules Verne except Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea when I was in middle school.
It's a bit reddity, but 'The Martian' is another good example of it done right. Resources available to the main character are state at the start, so nothing feels like it came out of nowhere. -
Author (anime@mu.zaitcev.nu)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:02:18 JST
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@Elliptica @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad What do you think about the Mysterious Island by Jules Verne? Cyrus Smith basically is a typical knowledge carrier for any boy isekai. -
Dad (noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 01-Jun-2023 05:02:40 JST
Dad
@Elliptica @anime @galena @coolboymew American isekai FTW. cool_boy_mew likes this. -
Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 11:22:03 JST
Anime Wong
@noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @coolboymew Oh, I also think the old Ultima games are isekai. Main character gets transported from Earth to another world. It's also potentially a transmigration story, since the main character can be an Elf, and I don't there are too many elves walking around here. -
Krypto (kryptoblok@bae.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 11:22:03 JST 
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@Elliptica @anime @galena @coolboymew @noyoushutthefuckupdad Don't forget the best western isekai of all time....
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Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 02-Jun-2023 11:22:04 JST
Anime Wong
@noyoushutthefuckupdad @anime @galena @coolboymew Two of the earliest Sci-fi novels were isekai-ish. Somnium is about an astronomer who gets transported to the moon by his witch mother. Blazing World is a villainess story about a princess who gets transported to a different world, becomes their god, and goes full Dr. Stone.
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