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LETS TALK ABOUT NATIONAL IDENTITY AND TINKZORG
Tinkzorg is a pretty large twitter account who has recently come under fire after he doxxed himself and people found out he’s black
From what I can tell he’s half black with a black father, and he grew up in rural Sweden. Seems to me that he grew up with his mom not his dad, but this is speculation
At some point this guy moved out of rural Sweden and to Stockholm. These are important things to know when analyzing his takes
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This guy probably has a terminal case of « I’m black but I grew up around only Swedish people and am very culturally Swedish therefore black people can be Swedish »
He definitely hasn’t experienced the levels of immigration america has that make entire areas completely unidentifiable as American
We have these zones in Quebec too (specifically Montreal) and nobody in their right mind would call those people French Canadian
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The problem for Americans (from what I can tell) is that they’re so mutted a this point that they can’t readily identify what they are and so their culture can kind of be pulled out from under them and replaced and there’s no good defense against that
Hes also right about whiteness forming in cities but I think he’s mistaking the cause here
When you’re with one other white person and you’re otherwise surrounded by minorities you and that person are suddenly going to have a lot more in common than everybody else
You can see this happen in real time with Asians in america. Back in their countries they were a specific ethnicity but after a couple of generations they all group together because the Americanized version of their ethnicities all resemble each other
To say there’s no such thing as white American identity would be as silly as saying there’s no such thing as African American identity
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Now, he’s kind of right about this, but in my opinion this is just some semantics.
Yes, « white nationalism » is incoherent because you can’t really have a proper nation with two completely different cultures work out even if the two cultures are both white
(I would know, I live in Canada, where this exact thing was tried)
He’s also right that there’s an extent to which white nationalists in america are rejecting the culture they grew up in or are willfully ignorant about how the majority of heritage Americans are and even somewhat reject that constituency. A good example of this is Nick Fuentes pretending that American identity is in any way connected to Catholicism
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In my observations though, where he goes wrong is in assuming that American identity hasn’t been massively tampered with to the point where within the country it means nothing
If I give him the benefit of the doubt, he is looking from the outside in at Sweden and saying « well duh american is xyz cultural thing that I recognize »
In reality in my interactions with normie Americans they genuinely think a passport is all you need to qualify as american
(If I don’t give him the benefit of the doubt he knows this and is ignoring it because needing blood in order to be of a nationality would be bad for him)
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Hes come under a lot of fire for these sorts of takes. His basic thesis is that white nationalism is kind of incoherent and that localism makes more sense
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@Becassine @internetfreak one of the things I've seen with white nationalist types is aside from memes, they're bad at embracing or creating culture.
This is even moreso if they're shut ins who have Nick Fuentes level views on how everything is cringe and gay except posting online and shouting dumb shit irl like a radio shock jocks army would. Or Andrew Anglin in which the "army" the SPLC he feared he had solely did nothing but place edgy posters in places and brag how they're on the news again, or prank calling/spamming numbers and emails he'd post. And I mean they're not even writing books or making games but just endlessly getting into flamewars daily. At least the consoomer leftists might make something like a cringe indie game or tabletop rpg like 4 people buy.
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I just don’t understand why people so readily abandon those things
I see a lot of people on here complaining about a lack of culture and not a lot of people doing anything to participate in their culture
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@Becassine Gotta have something
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@Becassine Americans are mutted for sure and I would speculate that their culture has always been pulled out from under them and replaced multiple times. Every time it's been done was to serve elite interests. Obscuring things like Shay's and the Whiskey rebellions, the civil war, ww2, the sexual revolution of the 60's, and so on and so forth. All of those things in the end put white people in a shittier position than they were in before.
It's like an intergenerational social petri dish
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@internetfreak
There’s still beautiful things though
Square dancing, rodeos, banjo music, little white country churches, gospel music, drive through movie theatres…
You’ve gotta take care of what you have
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@Becassine @internetfreak also to add to that, those people weren't in their community or posting in those parts of the web until it was trendy to. They're not much different than the men who wear dresses since they're looking for an identity, but instead they fall into other fake identities.
It's also because in the west, identities have become commoditized, and the same goes with religion. Case in point: that guy with the lifted truck, trump stickers, and gun brand stickers that literally tell other people this car is a good car to loot.
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@internetfreak @Becassine you don't need advertisers if imageboards eat it up
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@PhenomX6 @Becassine You're describing jewish plants there who are not culture makers, they're just there to lead people down blind alleys. Those faggots are to be mocked and ridiculed. As for creating things. The leftists don't have the same challenges as those on the right. You try making product with mass appeal without advertisers or fucking payment processors.
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@PhenomX6 @internetfreak
The NrX guys seem to create more (like that HP Lovecraft short story account)
And yeah, a movement that can’t create is dead in the water
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@Becassine @internetfreak Mike ma and bap too. One of my online friends told me that a coworker at his Walmart had a copy of harassment architecture he brought to work.
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@PhenomX6 @Becassine All it takes to kill a brand is call that person racist, homophobic, etc and they're done
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@internetfreak @Becassine it depends on who you court really
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@PhenomX6 @internetfreak
No clue who that is but good for him
I enjoy that art account on here whose artistic vision for the future is Hapa women With large breasts who drink a lot of milk
Im not sure if he knows Asians are lactose intolerant but good for him for at least making something
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