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people like to assume because i say unions can have parasitic management that cares more about keeping gravy trains alive than advocating for workers, or that companies can just swap to outsourcing or mass immigration, and so they have been effectively mitigated in most ways, that i hate workers or something.
i don't, i just don't think they work in the current climate.
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@OldM8 @icedquinn @Cara @galena @Indigo @ringo I don't think it's a matter of anarchists can't organize. For me it's more every single group I see form with the express intent to protect peoples rights ends up being coopted by the intelligence agencies and used to tighten control more. Joining some group of stated anarchists is guaranteed to put you on a list and it's only a matter of time before your rubbing elbows with spies.
I also don't pretend to have some kind of global solution to the worlds problems. Honestly most problems people actually face could be solved locally.
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@icedquinn > are egoists even capable of cooperation
I mean, our existence and associations are transient, but i am here in the now and vibin.
> anarchists are usually too busy masturbating to make any kind of unified front
if you mean politically, sure, they are a mess, ngl
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@OldM8 are egoists even capable of cooperation
anarchists are usually too busy masturbating to make any kind of unified front
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:blobfoxdrakedislike: industrial unions 🏭
:blobfoxdrakelike: unions of egoists :blobcatgendou:
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a problem populism eternally suffers from is that all the "bad people" are incredibly well funded and incredibly motivated to find new ways to fuck you. while the populists tend to be a tiny number of fringers that eventually stumble upon a success given enough grit. it's not a long lasting success, though, because by the time you fought your right to repair bill to the table the controllers have already prepped 30 ways to sunday to get it nonfactored.
still computing what solutions there might be outside of total corpo death
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@OldM8 @icedquinn @Cara @galena @Indigo @ringo yeah I'm not even saying it's all about me or anything. Honestly most of my effort toward self sufficiency is mainly to protect the people I care about. I could do with much less if I were alone. I just don't have trust in the systems built by strangers. I also think we tend to rely on centralized solutions way too often. It's an easy trap to fall into because at some levels centralization makes sense, but the habit of trying to make every issue a global one that we all have to acknowledge and work toward solving at the cost of our (and our families/communities) wellbeing is one I'd rather avoid.
As far as unions go, I think the idea is reasonable, but they are a target and will inevitably be infiltrated and seek to control the members.
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pree much
We could technically already be a union of egoist, if your life is for itself and you've based your affairs upon nothing. Don't need to sign anything, or pay for membership, attend no meeting etc
just a bunch of unique-beings doing whatever they can to become self reliant y'know, resisting any kind of conformity.
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@icedquinn @OldM8 @Cara @galena @Indigo @ringo yeah I don't try to push too hard outside of my own circles, but I have people in my life that I would classify as "normie" who mean something to me. Those are the ones I work to protect.
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@thatguyoverthere @OldM8 @Cara @galena @Indigo @ringo i don't really think normies can be saved anymore. these days i tend to worry more about being safe from them than trying to protect them.
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@thatguyoverthere @Cara @Indigo @OldM8 @galena @ringo as far as any particular civil movement (union or otherwise) there is a dearth of strategic planning. i saw a tinfoil video that talked about this too--there have been very few times that ex. a general sided with the public, and the system inevitably comes down very hard on them or they wake up dead.
the controllers wargame this shit out before pulling the trigger and we just have people who go cowboy something and get crushed :blobcatcowboy:
i know that clowns *can* lose. but its very difficult to get it to happen. the hazards of MLK's time have only gotten worse
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@chjara it happens quite a lot... i remember one round of boeing demonstrations the VPs just abandoned the building and declared a new headquarters to get away from the picketers.
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@icedquinn tbh that's a very limited case and like, this is suicide, both for the organization and likely for people calling that helpline…
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@chjara they just fired the whole department and replaced it with chatgpt
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@icedquinn the more workers are in a union the more companies *have* to negotiate with unions. "they can't fire us all" and all
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I knew an engineer who worked at the Nashville Peterbilt factory. It was unionized and most companies would order rigs made in the other two non-unionized factories because the reliability was better. He watched a girl get fired for intentionally spraying fuel on tanks before they got protective coating ... mad at work/life situation I guess. ... She was back in a month.
Unions gave the world a lot of good things: 5 day work week, 40 hours before overtime ... but I agree, few today really help workers. During the past few years, many of them didn't help workers who refused the jab; some even advocated for it! I'm sure some unions help keep wages and benefits up in some limited instances, but most of them today are just garbage.
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