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1. Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:10:17 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

   GUYS I KNOW WE GAVE UP ON BUILDING F22s HALFWAY THRU BUT COME ON LET US TRY AGAIN

   • PunishedD (punishedd@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:39:08 JST PunishedD

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot "loyal wingman platforms" They're telegraphing the inevitable mid-air hack and betrayal before it even gets approved. Some near-retirement colonel in the naming brainstorm session decided to write an ironic headline 15 years in the future.
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   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:43:00 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     “who cares the F-22 is the last manned fighter ever made, nobody will fly their own plane in 2040”

     in 2023:

     “so we’re looking at building the last CREWED fighter ever made”

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:53:20 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • 💮Space Elf🐝

     @SpaceElf That was the whole idea behind the f16. Originally it was a daytime VFR fighter. Only magic tech allowed it to expand its repertoire into the same multitool it is today

   • 💮Space Elf🐝 (spaceelf@leafposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:53:21 JST 💮Space Elf🐝

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot maybe this is a stupid question but
     
     would it not be better to just have like, a shitload of really basic, easily repaired, easily flown, immensely cheaper fighters supported by a small number of these super expensive elites rather than gunning for a top of the line fleet of super sporty 'prolapse my budget baby' fighters?
     
     P sure it'd make more jobs, too. Since the politicians in the MIC care so much about those. :^)
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:56:34 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • 💮Space Elf🐝

     @SpaceElf smart guys in the procurement game have said that a more serious military would have just procured a ton of F-16s for air supremacy, then had strike aircraft for the ground tgts.

     But real war considerations aren’t even like, in the top 5 of purpose for the service. It’s about the money, the prestige, the appearance, the fearsomeness, the ability to terrify would-be enemies from taking policy directions against the US’ will…. basically everything BUT actually duking it out w/ a peer enemy

     Though this tactic is….very unrealistic now that we can’t get the pilots for it. Pilots are expensive and rare to create, competent fighters? Very expensive to foster. The idea that we could just have 10,000 of them waiting around for the WWWIII air battle just isn’t in the cards. They don’t like spending money on people, just the gear

   • Whitewall_Blasphemy (whitewall_blasphemy@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 07:56:53 JST Whitewall_Blasphemy

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     • 💮Space Elf🐝
     @SpaceElf @WashedOutGundamPilot If it was up to Caucasians and not faggots, kikes and niggers, we'd have a fleet of basic duty patrol craft, a complimenting fleet of premium craft and a military with zero faggotry or feminine bs.
     The answer why don't we, is because our interests are subverted by chain of command. Kikes are at the top tier of that chain, a parasitical pontificating blow hard legion that see's us as actually expendable and no need to reinvest in future stock capable of rebuilding our vast stockpiles of steel toe ass kicking in a tin can. They just want point and click retard proof super advanced mega OP craft [Literally a recipe for military collapse] top heavy support for trailer queen aircraft is daunting at the least, devastating if you decide to fight guerillas.
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   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 08:42:13 JST d

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot so they're going to put active camo on it or what
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 08:42:13 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • d

     @deprecated_ii IDK, didn’t read the tender. I expect it to get a few models and designs and fizzle out. Then again I saw they’re axing some F35 production to free up money for it, so maybe they will get something.

     I think there are some lessons being learned about automation and AI that we aren’t privy to. For all the jabber about AI in the civvie sphere, the only people that are talking about their work is Gen dynamics, and their work seems 10 years behind

   • #1 Orc girl enjoyer (elfie@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 08:57:40 JST #1 Orc girl enjoyer

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot did they really give up halfway through?
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 08:57:40 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Elfie Ordered 250 in the first production run, at one time wanted to expand it to fully replace the F-15 and have a few times that amount.

     Obama & co halted production when they’d only built 187. Said it was “too expensive”….and now they’re gonna buy something that costs 3 times the price

   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 09:03:30 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     @Elfie No, and it doesn’t really matter all that much. The F-22 had a lot of value as a flagship to send around and wag their finger at enemies, sending a Raptor unit to Poland to strut around was pretty much what the F-22 excelled at. Much like how the F-35 as an aircraft is almost secondary to being a jobs program and carrot/stick for “allied” countries

     In practice, we’ll never know until it happens. There’s a case for the F22 being a few different things, but until they get to try it all it will ever be is a middling baloon killer.

   • #1 Orc girl enjoyer (elfie@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 09:03:31 JST #1 Orc girl enjoyer

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot
     Ehh it's almost there, does anyone know their combat effectiveness though? For all the might and magic that goes through them, it doesn't seem like they can justify the value when compared to auxiliary fighters...
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 09:09:06 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • 💮Space Elf🐝
     • Radians

     @DemonSixOne @SpaceElf I don’t think any of it really matters past the money/graft aspect. Most of our thinking is so disconnected from peer combat it’s just multiple layers of nerds guessing at how the fight will end up going….assuming anyone even allows an all-out fight to begin with.

     I’d bet a lot more of our crap would prove to be unimpressive than we’d expect at first glance. We’ve just never noticed because our logistics train has so rarely been truly strained. We’re the country that would be able to overnight essential parts for a 53 yo aircraft to get it ready for a training sortie the next day - who knows how our bubbleboy-immune-system would fare under actual attack?

     Imagine how wonderful all our stuff would be if we had an entire carrier group get cut off and isolated behind chinese lines. That kind of thing is unthinkable to them now. Who cares if only 60% of your Lightnings are operable? That’s why you brought extras! (and there will always be extras)

   • Radians (demonsixone@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 09:09:07 JST Radians

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     • 💮Space Elf🐝
     @SpaceElf @WashedOutGundamPilot The problem with US defense procurement is that it is largely run by civilian business men that have never worn a uniform, and have based their technology background on Tom Clancy novels.
     
     This is why you see so many projects where the headliner feature is "sophistication" along with a list of must-haves that are mutually exclusive (supercruise with meaningful payloads) or obsolete/misunderstood (stealth).
     
     The other problem is projects that are straight unserious and exist merely to funnel government funds into contractors. Like that time the navy spent about 20 years on a railgun project well into the era where cruise missiles had displaced gunnery as a main form of naval weaponry.
   • Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 24-May-2023 09:25:15 JST Pete Zaitcev

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     @WashedOutGundamPilot It's about 70% length of Tu-128, which remains the largest fighter airplane to this day. Lots of Russian text, but also photographs here:
     https://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/armed-forces/dalniy-perekhvatchik-tu-128/
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