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1. G. Willow Wilson (gwillow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:20 JST G. Willow Wilson

   Much as I have hope for mastodon/federation, the idea that you are now at the whim of thousands of little Elons (who can block whole instances at will and leave you wondering why you suddenly can't find a bunch of people) is not encouraging.

   • Solarbird :flag_cascadia: (moira@mastodon.murkworks.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:05 JST Solarbird :flag_cascadia:

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     @GWillow But with defederation, if you let your bar become a nazi bar, we stop talking.

     Effectively, in federation - nazi bars kettle _themselves_.

     I’m a site admin. The relative-to-twitter lack of harassment raids isn’t because they aren’t trying. It’s because Federation - which includes _de_-federation - makes it so much harder.

     And yet, even they aren’t banned from social media. Nazi Mastodon is real. Just… contained.

     That’s a real big baby to throw out with the bathwater.

   • Solarbird :flag_cascadia: (moira@mastodon.murkworks.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:06 JST Solarbird :flag_cascadia:

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     @GWillow I know you know this _personally_.

     And it’s not fair and it’s not right and I’m still not wrong.

     Federated social media has real issues. Not denying that at all. But _unlike_ the situation where your monolithic site gets taken over by fash - be it Musk Twitter or DeSantis Hypothetical Public Social - you at least _can_ hop over to another site and reconnect and rebuild.

     You’re not just… done.

     But that’s not the only argument against monolithic social networking.

     Gyaru Enjoyer repeated this.
   • Solarbird :flag_cascadia: (moira@mastodon.murkworks.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:06 JST Solarbird :flag_cascadia:

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     @GWillow There’s a reasonably well known problem called the Nazi Bar problem. It’s closely related to the paradox of tolerance problem in that if you let a any nazis into your bar, your bar becomes a nazi bar because they push everyone else out.

     Mastodon is the _first and only_ social network so far to successfully use the nazi bar phenomenon _against nazis_. Defederation - site blocking - is what makes that work. Without it, the problem reverts to mass systematic harassment.

     Gyaru Enjoyer repeated this.
   • Solarbird :flag_cascadia: (moira@mastodon.murkworks.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:07 JST Solarbird :flag_cascadia:

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     @GWillow Putting aside being called a “little Elon…”

     (Hi, site admin. NOT at dice.camp)

     One look at (not just) Florida shows the problems of social media as a public utility. Look what they’ve done in schools. Me and mine would _already_ be banned.

     Really. I was _illegal_ in 19 states - I kept a no-go list until 2003 - and they want to make us all illegal again. And as they criminalise, they silence.

     We would already be gone, with no place to go.

     I _know_ you know this.

   • G. Willow Wilson (gwillow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:17 JST G. Willow Wilson

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     If anything, my experiences in the changing social media landscape have cemented in my mind the fact that social media is a public utility and needs to be run as a public utility. Not as a series of opaque libertarian fiefdoms.

   • G. Willow Wilson (gwillow@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:24:19 JST G. Willow Wilson

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     Now I have to figure out how to reconnect with all my dice.camp people from scratch. Not good!

   • Gyaru Enjoyer (locagainstwall@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 16-May-2023 03:31:35 JST Gyaru Enjoyer

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     • Solarbird :flag_cascadia:
     @moira @GWillow >There’s a reasonably well known problem called the Nazi Bar problem. It’s closely related to the paradox of tolerance problem in that if you let a any nazis into your bar, your bar becomes a nazi bar because they push everyone else out.
     
     Agreed. This is why you don't let trannies into your hobbies, they try to make it all about themselves and push everyone else out.
     
     >Mastodon is the _first and only_ social network so far to successfully use the nazi bar phenomenon _against nazis_. Defederation - site blocking - is what makes that work. Without it, the problem reverts to mass systematic harassment.
     
     Defederation is faggot shit. It's funny how you complain about Nazis but everything has to be censored to align with your views.