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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 22:01:02 JST Aral Balkan

   Anyone here know anyone from Paddle that you can put me in touch with? (Or share your experience with them?)

   I’m reconsidering whether Stripe is the right solution for the initial payments option in Domain (https://codeberg.org/domain/app) or whether it makes more sense (and would be easier for folks who want to run their own Domain instances and become Small Web hosts) if I integrated a Merchant of Record (MoR) solution instead.

   #SmallWeb #commerce #Domain #merchantOfRecord #MoR #stripe #paddle #tax

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 22:34:14 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Coding with Jesse
     • Jae Bloom

     @jae That’s very useful to know, thanks, Jae :)

     @JesseSkinner

   • Coding with Jesse (jesseskinner@toot.cafe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 22:34:21 JST Coding with Jesse

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     @aral Also they're a smaller company and the support is very personal, they all seem like very sweet, kind folks.

   • Jae Bloom (jae@mastodon.me.uk)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 22:34:21 JST Jae Bloom

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     @JesseSkinner @aral I know Paddle as a customer mainly, but they’ve been very smooth on the customer side. I have a recurring subscription to SetApp that uses Paddle.

   • Coding with Jesse (jesseskinner@toot.cafe)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 22:34:22 JST Coding with Jesse

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     @aral I don't know anybody at Paddle but I can say that I switched to them recently and it was very smooth. The checkout integration was actually simpler than Stripe's. Makes a lot of sense if you don't want to deal with remitting sales tax to UK, EU, etc. Higher fees but I think it's worth it.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Monday, 08-May-2023 22:36:04 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Coding with Jesse

     @JesseSkinner Oh that’s good to hear. Thanks, Jesse :)

     (The fees are not an issue. As a tiny/small organisation, nothing they could charge could come close to what you’d be paying for accounting fees otherwise.) :)

   • Fuck Elon :mastodon: (fuckelon@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 00:09:19 JST Fuck Elon :mastodon:

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     @aral

     I made the mistake of clicking on the Paddle hashtag to see what that was about....
     I don't think that is what you are talking about...😲

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 00:09:19 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Fuck Elon :mastodon:

     @FuckElon Umm, I’m only seeing a couple of posts with people on paddle boats. What kind of instances does your instance federate with? 👀

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 00:14:12 JST Aral Balkan

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     Right, so I signed up with Paddle and with FastSpring (also a merchant of record) and I don’t think Paddle is going to work as you can’t create subscription plans via their API. In FastSpring you can so I’m going to continue to looking at that. So, to update my query:

     Anyone know anyone at FastSpring they can introduce me to or have any experiences with them they can share with me?

     (I may still end up going with Stripe.)

     Thanks!

     #Paddle #FastSpring #paymentServices #MoR #SmallWeb #Domain

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 00:19:21 JST Aral Balkan

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     • mpoletiek

     @mpoletiek PayPal are the absolute worst. I got burned by them a few decades ago when selling a camcorder and vowed never to use them again (and haven’t/wouldn’t). Imagine how bad the experience was.

     If you, goodness forbid, base your livelihood on their systems, know that they can take it away in a heartbeat and you won’t be able to find a single human being to talk to.

     Stripe, on the other hand, have always felt human to me. Chatted a few times with Patrick too and he seemed nice.

   • mpoletiek (mpoletiek@enlightened.army)'s status on Tuesday, 09-May-2023 00:19:23 JST mpoletiek

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     @aral I've always wondered why people prefer stripe to PayPal. Is it the fees?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 17:44:28 JST Aral Balkan

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     I’m sure you’re all riveted to hear my next niche micro-update on finding a payment solution to integrate into #Domain¹ but I’m actually reconsidering #Paddle. The more I think about it, the less custom logic there is in Domain to handle payment providers the better. A very lightweight abstraction over embedding a #payment form and handling #webhooks should make it easier to add others in the future at the cost of more setup in the payment provider itself.

     ¹ https://codeberg.org/domain/app

     #SmallWeb

   • Ω 🌍 Gus Posey (gustodon@mas.to)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 17:50:07 JST Ω 🌍 Gus Posey

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     @aral It's all pretty riveting, to be fair. I'm personally grateful for your posts and feel like I learn something every time I see one.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 17:50:07 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Ω 🌍 Gus Posey

     @Gustodon 💕

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 18:02:37 JST Aral Balkan

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     @ff0000 Good to have the validation, thanks.

     I’m going to start implementing an integration today and see how it goes :)

   • user not found (ff0000@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 18:02:38 JST user not found

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     @aral If Paddle is a service that takes care of the whole integration and as a Domain user you then don't have to fiddle with Stripe or Adyen, i would say that is an improvement.

     The 5% + 0,50 is a bit steep compared to (from the top of my head) lower rates that these other companies offer. But having to not deal with most of that payment and taxes stuff would be worth it.

     And i think as a platform (Domain) offering a more plug and play solution like this makes it more attractive.

   • Konstantin :veripawed: :veritrek: :rainbow_pride_potion: (konstantin@m.iamkonstantin.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 18:04:03 JST Konstantin :veripawed: :veritrek: :rainbow_pride_potion:

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     @aral is it an idea for this to be modular to some extent? I was recently looking into payment providers and Paddle, being London-based, presents certain challenges these days. Stripe and Mollie turned out to be easier to integrate with overall, as they required less administration when used from within the EU (and for example, Mollie has many integrations with popular tools here in Benelux). I am uncertain if these are factors for Domain, of course.
   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 18:04:03 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Konstantin :veripawed: :veritrek: :rainbow_pride_potion:

     @konstantin Yep, exactly. But gotta start somewhere :)

     Hadn’t heard of Mollie. Will check them out, thanks :)

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 18:40:36 JST Aral Balkan

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     • user not found

     @ff0000 Want to make it as easy as possible but running Domain (to enable the hosting of Small Web sites and apps) will always require some technical knowledge and organisational investment of time and resources (as opposed to running Small Web sites and apps, which should require none).

   • user not found (ff0000@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 10-May-2023 18:40:38 JST user not found

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     @aral Of course! I have experience with integration payments through Adyen and Stripe, both offer plug and play options (which we don't use as a business, because custom checkout and world wide transactions that have to be considered). So once you step outside of their *drop in huge SDK and pray* it becomes a huge hassle.

     As i understand, for Domain you want to offer payment integrations that are as easy to do as that PayPal pay now button? (minimal technical know how needed).

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 03:35:20 JST Aral Balkan

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     Yep, it looks like I’m going with Paddle (https://paddle.com) as the first supported payment system for Domain*.

     (Barring any issues with getting our use case approved.)

     So, asking again: does anyone know anyone that works at #Paddle? Would love to talk to them about what we’re trying to do with the Small Web and Kitten ** and Domain and hopefully have them support our use case.

     * https://codeberg.org/domain/app
     ** https://codeberg.org/kitten/app

     #MoR #MerchantOfRecord #paddle #Domain #Kitten #SmallWeb

   • sdevore (sdevore@mastodon.cloud)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 05:34:53 JST sdevore

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     @aral have you looked at https://www.lemonsqueezy.com it is on my list to look at and looks like a similar but younger paddle

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 05:34:53 JST Aral Balkan

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     • sdevore

     @Sdevore My eventual goal is to support multiple so it’s on my list too. But need to start with one :)

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 19:36:39 JST Aral Balkan

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     The initial setup integration of Paddle into Domain is now complete. I’m happy with how it turned out.

     Now the only (“only” he says) bit left is reimplementing the provisioning and setup of Small Web servers running Kitten (or Kitten apps).

     It‘s getting there…

     :kitten: 💕

     #Domain #Kitten #SmallWeb #paddle #payment #sustainability #subsisting #capitalism

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 19:41:33 JST Aral Balkan

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     PS. Just noticed and fixed the typo in the “Stay Small!” section. It now reads:

     “(e.g., one where cities can use tokens to provide their citizens with access to the commons from the commons, etc.)”

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 19:57:46 JST Aral Balkan

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     • user not found

     @ff0000 Thanks!

     Kitten will always be for developers and *hosting* Domain *instances* will always be for folks with technical knowledge but I am trying to make every component in the system as simple to use as possible. That’ll be something we never stop iterating on :)

     If we keep that philosophy throughout, then *using the things we make* with Kitten (and using Domain to obtain them) will hopefully be easy for folks who use technology as an everyday thing to do everyday stuff.

     💕

   • user not found (ff0000@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 19:57:48 JST user not found

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     @aral It looks great in all its "simplicity".

     Love the minimal style!

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 19:58:47 JST Aral Balkan

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     • user not found

     @ff0000 I’d say you can play with Kitten for that right now (and please report any issues if you run into any while you do) but until Domain is ready, deployment won’t be easy.

   • user not found (ff0000@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 19:58:48 JST user not found

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     @aral At what point would you say that it's stable enough to build a full test case with? (for instance a new version of my band's website). For fun, and testing.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 21:30:27 JST Aral Balkan

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     • user not found

     @ff0000 Thanks; that’ll be hugely useful, appreciate it :)

   • user not found (ff0000@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 21:30:28 JST user not found

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     @aral Well good thing i don't have a lot of free time at the moment, so i won't be able to do full pen tests and e2e tests, but once i have i will of course share any issues. :)

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 21:31:23 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Giuseppe Guglielmucci

     @giuseppegv Thanks, Giuseppe 💕

     @ff0000

   • Giuseppe Guglielmucci (giuseppegv@mastodon.uno)'s status on Friday, 12-May-2023 21:31:24 JST Giuseppe Guglielmucci

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     • user not found

     @aral @ff0000
     Hey just want to say that I'm one of those everyday end user, but I care about FOSS, so keep it up.

     We can't wait to do things in the small beautiful way 😁