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1. feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:32 JST feld
   "COVID is not over"
   
   ok but the Spanish Flu (H1N1) is not over yet either.
   
   Do people really think it's appropriate to wear masks for the rest of their lives?
   
   edit: if I am going to a place where there are immunocompromised people I am happy to wear a mask.
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   • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷 (animetradcath@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:28 JST 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     @feld @skylar America doesn't have a gun problem.
     America has a black problem.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:28 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     @AnimeTradCath @feld @skylar ban the media
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:29 JST feld

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     if you want to talk about gun violence in blue cities full of black people, I have some data for you...
     
     https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:30 JST feld

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     Let's look at Chicago (Cook County)
     
     Those death rates have absolutely plummeted
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:30 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @feld is this deaths from the chinese virus or shootings?
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:45:31 JST feld

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     COVID peaked at over 23,000 deaths per week in the USA. It's ~1000 now.
     
     Is that still a lot? Sure.
     
     But who is actually dying? Here's Michigan's data for 2023*
     
     Looks like it's people over 50. Have you looked at people over 50 in the USA lately? Not exactly role models for a healthy lifestyle.
     
     
     
     * sorry, trouble finding 2023 only data for all of USA
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:53:03 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @feld
     >another race of savages can't behave themselves in civilization
     >NUH-UH IT'S POVERTY
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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:53:04 JST feld

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     so the common denominator here is poverty, not race
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:53:05 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @feld oh come on it says RIGHT THERE that it's chock full of indians
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:53:06 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @feld wow what a coincidence
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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:53:06 JST feld

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     forgot about all those black people in Alaska
   • Boomerman (boomerman@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:58:02 JST Boomerman

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     @feld @AnimeTradCath @skylar So why do poor whites shoot people less than blacks as a whole?
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:58:02 JST feld

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
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     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     Because you're comparing by the whole not by per capita? Why would you even begin comparing that way without populations being 100% equal?
     
     And then you have to consider completely different living conditions of where poor white people live vs poor black people
     
     There are so many factors here that lead to different living experiences and different outcomes you can't point to a single root cause.
     
     "Why then don't poor black people choose to live like poor white people"
     
     Well I don't know, maybe because they used to live like poor whites during Reconstruction but then in the early 1900s we blamed the economic hardships on the black people who spread throughout the country and decided to burn down their homes and lynch them if they didn't get out of their counties so they all ran to inner-city communities which created the typical American ghettos? Just like we did 20 years earlier to the Chinese which created Chinatowns?
   • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷 (animetradcath@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:58:03 JST 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     @feld @skylar I had no idea that poverty completely override completely normal snd sensible people and turns them into violent savages?
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:58:03 JST feld

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     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     Well now's the opportunity to begin researching it
     
     https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-0-306-48039-3_4
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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 22:58:04 JST feld

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     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     Poverty rate for whites in USA is ~9% and it's ~20% for blacks.
     
     You don't think a higher concentration of impoverished people is going to cause some shooty-shooty violence especially when these people get clustered together in a city?
   • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷 (animetradcath@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 23:56:41 JST 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     @feld @skylar being "poor" doesn't increase your likelihood to commit violence. Being a violent criminal increases your likelihood of being poor.
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   • EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 04-May-2023 23:56:45 JST EdBoatConnoisseur

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     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷

     @AnimeTradCath @feld @skylar Being a nigger increases the likelihood of crime, poverty and suicide by police.

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   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:07:30 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:
     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     If you're poor enough it does
     
     Go a couple weeks without eating and you, too might start thinking about it.
     
     ie it's a vicious circle that goes both ways
     
     poverty => violence
     violence => poverty
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:07:30 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     • 🇮🇷🇻🇦AnimeTradCath:flag_swr: 🇮🇷
     @jeffcliff @feld @AnimeTradCath
     >be a nigger
     >have no money
     >get hungry
     >decide to steal a car
     >shit that didn't help i'm still hungry
     >rape a white woman in central park
     >shit that didn't help i'm still hungry
     >decide to stab a fellow nigger
     >shit that didn't help i'm still hungry
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:07:57 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @feld or "died suddenly" and other issues mentioned are caused by the poke.
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:07:58 JST Jeff Cliff

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     > COVID peaked at over 23,000 deaths per week in the USA. It's ~1000 now.
     
     1) The 1000 is for direct deaths, not the '6 months later #diedsuddenly heart attacks' that covid also causes.
     2) covid causes permanent brain, lung, and immune system damage - ie it causes comorbidities for both covid and other disease to later deal the death blow.
     3) that's still a 9/11 every 3 days.
     
     20 years ago people would not put up with junkies going around stabbing all the children in north america with HIV positive needles and we should treat people who spread covid no differently. And 3,000 people dying due to a preventable cause was still a big deal
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:27:26 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @feld maybe. too bad we have no control group
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:27:27 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
     occasionally, perhaps
     
     but mostly they are caused by covid itself by a large margin
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:32:48 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @feld no. we had barely any testing and a lot of people started getting threatened they would lose their jobs if they didn't comply.
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:32:49 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
     yeah we did have a control group
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:46:27 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @feld @jeffcliff I never said anything about magic. That doesn't mean that the various vaccines are good for the body or helpful in combating illness. The vaccines could be 100% organic and still a toxin.
     
     I don't know that any numbers being gathered are actually useful in making decisions for a number of reasons. I don't know that we are seeing a "reduction in deaths in vaccinated populations" or not. I do know that various sporting organizations required vaccine and there have been quite a few athletes who we almost have to assume were vaccinated that either died or lost their ability to play sports over the past few years. We also have seen a several ardent supporters of mandatory vaccination seemingly stroke out on camera. Is it possible there issues came from the virus and not the vaccine itself? Sure. It's also possible that the opposite is true or that both are factors.
     
     You are right though. It's impossible to answer. My problem is that sometimes when you don't have the answers the best action is to stand still and collect more data. Instead we are all supposed to take a leap of faith and hope the fall doesn't kill us, and anyone who has even a little hesitancy is brow beaten and treated as if they are somehow "anti-science".
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 00:46:28 JST feld

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     • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
     What we do know is that the damage being done is autoimmune, not some magical dangerous molecule in the vaccine.
     
     It's the same autoimmune response people have to the real virus.
     
     The impossible question to answer is: "Is the autoimmune response from the novel vaccine more dangerous than that of the novel virus?"
     
     Based on the reduction in deaths in vaccinated populations we can deduce that it's very likely that the vaccine's autoimmune response is milder across the general population, but it's impossible to know on a person-by-person basis as we can't clone an individual's virgin immune system and try both to see what happens
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:13:34 JST Jeff Cliff

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     Yes. We had plenty of testing and now we have plenty more. something like 30 billion shot-years and counting of experience now
     
     > people started getting threatened they would lose their jobs if they didn't comply.
     
     The world is a big place, and lots of people didn't take the shot. You can find many of them here on the fedi.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:13:34 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @feld yeah we've stuck a lot of shots in arms. Not sure that's the same thing as having a control group. Experience poking people with sharp things is not an indicator that the jab works. It also doesn't do anything to make sure it works and there aren't long term effects. We also have plenty of people who have caught covid and do not have any of the autoimmune symptoms so there is a question of potential compound factors.
     
     It's possible the virus may increase a person's chances of developing these symptoms. It's also possible the vaccine does. It may also be the case that stacking these risk factors pushes some people over the edge. One big problem is that trust in public institutions (those collecting the data) is quite low and there is room for doubt on the accuracy of data reporting. This means even if the data actually seemed to support what you claim (I don't think it's that clear) there is still the question of whether the data was filtered to match a pre-made conclusion.
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:18:10 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
     >. Not sure that's the same thing as having a control group.
     
     the people who are the control group are the ones who didn't
     
     > Experience poking people with sharp things is not an indicator that the jab works.
     
     you're an idiot and this sort of thing makes you not worth responding to
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:18:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @jeffcliff @feld lmao you literally acted as if having "30 billion shot-years and counting of experience" is some kind of meaningful metric in determining the efficacy and safety of a vaccine but go on and call me the idiot 🤣
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:21:32 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
     yeah I will and it is a meaningful metric
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:21:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @feld sure. what would be more meaningful is some kind of significant reduction of transmission among vaccinated folks or more unvaccinated people suffering myocarditis than vaccinated folks. The problem is those numbers aren't available, and if they were, the institutions collecting them have damaged their credibility too much.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:22:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Jeff Cliff
     @jeffcliff @feld well if it's in your bible I should believe it
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:22:36 JST Jeff Cliff

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     there is for both
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     you just summoned the autism horde who will tell you it's fake now
   • ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️ (supersnekfriend@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 05-May-2023 01:26:45 JST ❄️:padoru: SantaSnekFriend :padoru:❄️

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     @feld @skylar Now class, tell us which demographic has the most power (for now) in red states and what the two largest minority groups are, all with percentages. You are timed and this will reflect on your final Life Test Score that Administrator Jesus will give to you.
     
     Also, as somebody with Long Coivd, your Covid OP was really freaking gay.
     >He thinks dying was and is the worst part of Covid
   • Vad fan? (grumpy@annihilation.social)'s status on Saturday, 06-May-2023 09:05:57 JST Vad fan?

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     @feld There are tons of airborn diseases that are not over yet, but nobody wore masks before COVID. Well, actually people tried using them during Spanish flu, but to no avail which was absolutely logical.

     This masks BS was just an attempt to establish some sort of dresscode for the so called “new normality”.

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