Jeff Byrnes
This from @mmasnick is so spot on:
“your reputation when you refuse to moderate is not ‘the grand enabler of free speech.’ Because it’s the internet itself that is the grand enabler of free speech. When you’re a private centralized company and you don’t deal with hateful content on your site, you’re the Nazi bar.”
Aral Balkan
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick Absolutely spot on.
cool_boy_mew
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Moon
Moon
Moon
cool_boy_mew
lippyduck
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick cf. Fox vs. Dominion. Will it raise the Nazi bar running costs?
cool_boy_mew
Himbo Techbro
@coolboymew
We got this graphic that aged like fine wine tho
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick @lippyduck @Moon
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Jeff Byrnes
@lookatmeimdanny sure is! Also a perfect example of the coddled insulated naïveté of folks like substack’s CEO.
Especially bizarre that he won’t even stand by his own company’s terms of use!
Danny Stormiels
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick literally poppers paradox of tolerance in action.
Christi Junior
Dr. Rupert, Doctor of Shitpoasting Studies
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Jeff Byrnes
@Hyolobrika @MylesRyden @mmasnick you can consider that 4channers are a smaller group than Redditers, and so in those terms, 4chan is worth less than Reddit b/c fewer people value it & use it.
Reddit is also worth more in financial terms, so there’s that one, too.
Hyolobrika
@jeffbyrnes
>Reddit is also worth more in financial terms, so there’s that one, too.
Hahahahahahaha. No.
You can take your mammon and shove it up your greedy arse.
@MylesRyden @mmasnick
Hyolobrika
@MylesRyden
>Reddit is worth more than 4Chan.
To whom? Not 4channers, clearly
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick
MylesRyden
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick Scott Galloway adds that content moderation also creates value on the net. Reddit is worth more than 4Chan.
Jeff Byrnes
@astatide @mmasnick I also think that both things can be true simultaneously: we were in the midst of a content moderation experiment that has failed, AND social media has been juicing us for clicks/views/etc via antagonistic content b/c algos reward that kind of behavior by their nature.
Christi Junior
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Audrey MP [Astatide]
@jeffbyrnes @mmasnick what we HAVE done is pretend that we won’t allow this type of speech while simultaneously rewarding it and banking on “cancel culture” to draw more impressions/readers/reviewers in. That’s a whole conversation unto itself; my point is only that his starting premise is flawed and should not have been yielded so easily, regardless of the fact that it’s pretty unimportant whether or not he’s right as to whether he’s the Nazi bartender. It’s just another attempt to deflect responsibility while profiting off said irresponsible enabling.
Jeff Byrnes
@astatide @mmasnick I think you’re pointing out a clear-eyed and deeper view into it!
I think right up until Musk showed up as a buyer, Twitter was getting better; it was still way worse than it needed to be, but some right signs had been appearing.
As for Substack, you’re also right that their CEO has given up or is trying to avoid the question in plain sight, and that’s just ridiculous & shameful.
Audrey MP [Astatide]
@mmasnick @jeffbyrnes I really like this with one minor point: the idea that we’ve been running a content moderation experiment that has failed due to its merits and instead due to frankly awful adherence and enforcement of said moderation. Minority communities have been complaining for ages about the sparse, inconsistent nature of transphobic, sexist and racist content on numerous platforms and how despite numerous reports, blatantly bigoted content stays up (while said minorities are typically hit hard by the same policy). I think it’s letting them off the hook to blatantly claim “we tried ‘an experiment’ and it failed” when no control, no review, or protocol were deployed. They paid lip service, then called it a failure. That’s a joke, not an experiment.
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