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Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 23:36:07 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @lmrocha @mike805 @freemo That's actually terrifying. You have to join a militia with a roster that the government approves of, and if ever your club (the people you associate with) is deemed by the state to be hostile to the state you are stripped of your rights. -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:00:25 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha the government can and does regularly decide previously innocuous organizations are hostile. Sometimes it's warranted and sometimes it's political. The reason requiring you to put your name on a list is more terrifying is the same reason I think a national digitized database of firearms ownership would be. It's cute to say "if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" but reality tells a different tale. -
PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:00:26 JST PJ Why is it more terrifying than being all by yourself? Just make sure your club is not hostile to the government.😀
If the government thinks you, or any bunch you are currently associated with, are hostile, you will be stripped of your rights anyway, club or not club. At least in a club that was previously sanctioned by that same government, you have some kind of protection.
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PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:40:10 JST PJ How don’t you see it is the same situation?
I can get access to the Internet from a library or walk onto a shooting range and shoot a few rounds under supervision, but if I want to buy a gun and take it home where there is a risk of harming other people, I have to get an IP subscription and join some of the social platforms where I can “shoot” nonsense like this.😀
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:40:11 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 The idea is great except where its required.. it would be like saying if you want access to the internet you need a fediverse instance you join and that gives you permission to get on the internet.
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PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:40:12 JST PJ @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha
If it helps, think of it as a “gun owners’ fediverse” where each club is an “instance” and the NRA, instead of an association of individuals, is a federation of all the gun clubs of America.
Then, instead of taking care primarily of just the needs of their wealthy donors (gun manufacturers), they may start also thinking about the needs of all of their other members and their local societies. -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:40:42 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @freemo @mike805 @lmrocha you literally never HAVE to join any platforms to browse the web. You can run your own server (blog, fedi, game, whatever) and others can access it. If you just want to build something for a local community you could even skip the internet altogether and run a wide area network on your own if you have the resources completely separate from the internet. -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:42:39 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 @pj @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
Do you think getting on the internet should mean approval from a club thoigh? Cause thats not how we do it now, anyone can get internet and cant be denied.
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Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:45:01 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @freemo @mike805 @lmrocha and with guns if you attack another person without just cause you will also lose access. -
PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:45:02 JST PJ Oh, it can.
Try downloading child porn or other shit and look how fast it will be denied. -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:48:09 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @freemo @lmrocha @mike805 you also don't have to provide fedi admins with a state approved ID to join. Some don't even care if the email is valid (big ups IMO). Some people on the internet need privacy just like some people in real life need to have the ability to defend themselves. Not everyone has a strong need for either of these things at all times, but we all should have access to them if ever we do. -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 00:52:05 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 @pj @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
Try shooting someone and watch how fast your gun is taken away… same logic.
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Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:12:58 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha you can build your own networks without if you so choose, but yes to join the larger "Net" you need someone on the network to grant you access. For personal access there are a variety of methods both that are tied to identity and anonymous (some of questionable legality), and for hosting services yourself the same is true. You don't even need a domain name if you don't want, but if you do there are ways to acquire one without exposing a real identity. -
PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:12:59 JST PJ Yes. you can do it all by yourself, but you need an ISP to access the Net, don't you?
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Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:15:28 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha brandishing then :shrug:
there are laws that prevent people from using weapons to intimidate.
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PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:15:29 JST PJ @thatguyoverthere
Attacking a person is in this analogy akin to physically harming a child as opposed to "just" downloading child porn.Ideally, you would want to prevent evil or sick people to harm anyone.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:15:40 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 No you can buy prepaid 5g for your router and have anonymous internet if you want.
Thats what i do in Israel, my internet is completely anonymous.
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PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:15:41 JST PJ No, but your ISP always knows who you are.
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Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:16:07 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @pj @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha not always -
Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:16:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: @freemo @pj @mike805 @lmrocha i think maybe brandishing might be like bullying -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 02:16:33 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 @pj @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
If you physically attack someone with a gun you loose the gun... how do you physically attack someone on the internet though? Not sure i follow
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 05:23:55 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 I have nonproblems with making sure the usual background check from a gun were enforced on all purchases. So if thats all you are puahing for you have my support
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PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 05:23:56 JST PJ @freemo
The problem is that you don't need a gun shop to buy a gun or the shop doesn't care who they sell their guns to.This is the same as if you could access the internet from your computer without an ISP. Imagine what a shitshow the Internet would be then compared to what it is already is now.
If you could only buy a gun from a gun shop, I believe more than half of all the problems we have now with gun violence would go away.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 05:23:57 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 @pj @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
You also need a gun shop to buy a gun, not sure the analogy works too well honestly
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PJ (pj@qoto.org)'s status on Monday, 10-Apr-2023 05:24:30 JST PJ Yes. That would be a good start. My suggestion was though to try seeing things from a larger perspective.
I believe that one of the problems is that too many individuals are #alienated from their immediate local (physical) #community while fulfilling their "communal needs" primarily with strangers over the Internet except for #Work and maybe #Church, which is obviously not enough, and sometimes even adds to further alienation.
I think people should be free (or even encouraged) to form their own local societies with real people they get to know because of things they feel strongly about, and guns seemed like one such catalyst to increase the number of "good guys" and minimize the harm done by "bad guys" with guns.
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