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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:38:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
   • mike805
   • Luis M. Rocha
   • PJ
   @lmrocha @freemo @mike805 @pj A study on gun violence __should__ make sure to separate suicide from homicide. Lumping gun suicides in with gun violence instead of with suicides is stacking the deck in your favor.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:43:01 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @lmrocha @freemo @mike805 @pj This actually highlights one of the problems with making decisions based on statistics. It's very easy to select data that fits a preformed bias. Some issues are too important to rely on statistics to make decisions on.
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     @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha @pj

     Stacking the deck in Luis's favor, especially given the cherry-picked and irrelevant nature of all the studies, is clearly Luis's intent here.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:45:56 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @mike805 @lmrocha @pj well that's where I would say the "data" is correct and valid, but the "statistics" are selected from that data to achieve a desired outcome (cherry picked).
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     @thatguyoverthere

     I disagree, the statistics are correct and valuable... the issue isnt the statistics, the issues is that they are being either intentionally abused by cherry picking and not analyzing the data in a way even the most beginer of data scientists would agree is proper.

     Dont blame the data for some person trying to manipulate it, especially when its trivial to point out that manipulation and shoot it down, as I have done.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:49:20 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @lmrocha @freemo @mike805 @pj or they just have a political motive
   • Luis M. Rocha (lmrocha@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:49:21 JST Luis M. Rocha

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     @freemo @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @pj yes, the statisticians who publish in the new England journal of medicine and lancet areb known to be rookies... #fantasy

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:53:03 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     The data is correct, the statistics are correct... the interpretation of the statistics is wildly invalid most of the time.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 20:56:19 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @mike805 @lmrocha @pj I don't mean to say the statistics are invalid, just that they have bias injected which makes them less useful (at least for this discussion). All statistics do. We bias our selection of data, both intentionally and unintentionally.
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     @lmrocha

     No one said they were rookies, no one even said they were wrong... I am claiming **you** are a rookie for drawing conclusions from their valid study that is in no way related to what we are discussing... The scientists are fine, you are the only one who seems woefully uneducated on statistics, guns, or any aspect of this conversation.

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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 21:00:27 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     That can sometimes be an issue, but no I dont find that is generally the issue here, and peer-review will often catch that... the statistics are fine, and they arent usually biased (sometimes)... its purely an issue with "Here is Statistic X which claims Y"... X is correct, the statement it claims Y is not.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 21:02:12 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo @mike805 @lmrocha @pj I guess this is why "appeal to authority" is considered a logical fallacy. If you appeal to an authority, but you don't actually understand if the argument applies or can't actually articulate the argument yourself it isn't really helping your case and just gets in the way of the discussion.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 21:04:50 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Appeal to authority is a fallacy because being an authority doesnt mean you are trustworthy or unbiased, and to determine either of those things you need to be an authority yourself.

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