@freemo @mike805 you are easily dismissed, and sound like l you need a voight-kampff test, when you want to tell the parents of children who had to identify body parts of their 6 year-olds that the carnage was not really from an automatic weapon, but a semi-automatic. Your distinction my be relevant to the "professional" profiteering gun apologists, but certainly not to the victims.
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Luis M. Rocha (lmrocha@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 19:19:39 JST Luis M. Rocha -
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 19:29:13 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 you don’t understand, the “professional distinction” you care about is irrelevant for the fact that 1) guns are the leading cause of children death in there USA, and 2) a lot of people make money from that.
Oh it is very relevant.. it is the equivalent of an anti-vaxxer calling a virus a bacteria… it is relevant because it shows they dont understand such fundamental information that they are clearly unable to talk about or analyze anything more complex about the problem… when you demonstrate and then defend incorrect information, particularly when you do so in order to defend your incorrect conclusions, it discredits you and rules you out from being taken seriously, and rightfully so… yes its very relevant to the debate at hand.
Thought experiment: you guys are such believers in the 2A. Surely you think it is of such great importance that we should at least consider that the role of government is to provide guns at cost (no profit) to the population. Do you think that if we removed cost from the equation the NRA would exist and there would be so many guns in the population?
The NRA is a non-profit and as such compared with a for-profit company there are a great many restrictions on the ability for its owners to profit. That said they do get a pretty generous salary but if their main goal was to profit they probably wouldnt have organized as a non-profit… yes the NRA and many of the non-profit gun advocacy groups would probably still exist.
Your are siding with the gun profiteers who value profit over life, not some grand constitutional principle.
You really do sound like an anti-vaxxer with these sorts of tropes.. its all big pharma this, and profit that.. stick to the topic and not some communist/socialist nonsense of evil profits. I mean if you have a specific issue where money messed stuff up and want to address it fine.. but that doesnt change the numbers, and the numbers show a pretty clear pattern, when you ban guns people die and get rapped in huge numbers as a consequence that could have been saved… everything else is noise.
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Luis M. Rocha (lmrocha@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 19:29:14 JST Luis M. Rocha @freemo @mike805 you don't understand, the "professional distinction" you care about is irrelevant for the fact that 1) guns are the leading cause of children death in there USA, and 2) a lot of people make money from that.
Thought experiment: you guys are such believers in the 2A. Surely you think it is of such great importance that we should at least consider that the role of government is to provide guns at cost (no profit) to the population. Do you think that if we removed cost from the equation the NRA would exist and there would be so many guns in the population?
Your are siding with the gun profiteers who value profit over life, not some grand constitutional principle.
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🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 19:29:15 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 Ahh personal attacks... I mean lets face it anti-gun people "easily dismiss" anything that doesnt agree with their world view.
The good news is kids who actually have ever been involved in a school shooting are so extraordinarily rare I'd never have to have that conversation in a lifetime...
Its amazing that not saying something that is undeniably false by any measure is being an "apologist" lol.. yes lets not be apologists and make up fact statements and then defend them even when we know they are lies, thats the way to solve problems.
The fact is you've said multiple things that are either lies, or ridiculously uneducated on the subject.. whichever of the two it is it does discredit you in having a valid point of view in the discussion, particularly when you double down on defending it rather than acknowledging and learning from your error.
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Luis M. Rocha (lmrocha@qoto.org)'s status on Sunday, 09-Apr-2023 19:29:37 JST Luis M. Rocha @freemo @mike805 you keep talking about those numbers about guns and reducing rape and such, but I'm still waiting for the peer-reviewed analysis of those numbers. Can you send the DOIs?
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