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@arcana just install Gentoo at that point tbh
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@arcana that's not a joke by the way rolling release distros are useful for things like this
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@nyanide @arcana i doubt arcana has time for gentoo's stuff.
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@mischievoustomato @arcana updating takes a while but I've used it plenty and it mostly just works, i know you've also done the same
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@nyanide @arcana yeah but very slow, and if you add cyclical deps, it gets even worse.
For example, my laptop (only computer) has to do ALL I do, which is:
- Run the desktop (gnome)
- Video Production
- Music Production
- Gaming
- Programming
It'd be impossible for me to wait out how much that takes not just to install for the first time, but also to update. NixOS for me is the best, I just compile what I know I need to compile because I modify it, or because atm there's no cached package.
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@mischievoustomato @arcana Heh compared to you I really only need a web browser and a unix shell with development tools on it, so maybe I shouldn't be talking about this. I guess Arch could work, being a binary based sort of thing
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@nyanide @arcana gentoo isn't a bleeding edge distro tho. it is rolling release but has some emphasis on stability.
for software where i can judge myself those choices are reasonable - gentoo ships wine 9.0, arch ships 10.0 - as a wine dev imo wine 10 is quite experimental still, there have been some major refactors in the x11 driver that cause regressions in a few places.
arch is a lot more bleeding-edge focused
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@nyanide @arcana fedora is actually more bleeding edge than gentoo in some places
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@nyanide @arcana its insane that this rule has to the os and packages when it comes to linux distro world
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@nyanide @mischievoustomato @arcana haven't used gentoo myself but at least in my week or two of experience arch seems to just work
my needs are also just those things plus mpv and zathura
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@Cyrillic @arcana @mischievoustomato I know, I've used arch plenty in the past.
Apparently Gentoo isn't really bleeding edge, some emphasis is put on stability. Hm.
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@nyanide @arcana @mischievoustomato nvm I spoke too soon, I updated my system and now zathura-mupdf is whining that I updated my mupdf and it's not the version it wants
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@nyanide @arcana @Cyrillic @mischievoustomato How bleeding edge Gentoo is depends on the kind of ebuild and who is maintaing it.
It's trivial to update many ebuilds yourself - you copy the file into a custom repository, do a version bump with GNU mv, run ebuild <ebuild> manifest, compile it and it usually works.
Proprietary software ebuilds that take the users freedom are generally well maintained (how terrible for the users freedom).
Free software ebuilds typically sit unmaintained for months or years until you go do the version bump yourself and submit that and then finally the assigned maintainer, version bumps to the latest stable, or the ebuild gets removed.
Typically, the stable keyword takes at least several weeks or months before it is applied to an ebuild, but mixing stable and unstable isn't an issue on Gentoo (unlike on Debian) and you can trivially unmask as needed or set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" to always use the newest ebuild (excluding often broken 9999 git versions).
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@nyanide @arcana @mischievoustomato nvm now the updated package is in the repo now, just had to wait a bit
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