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The Very Merry Mancow: Christ is King! ✝️ (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:02:00 JST The Very Merry Mancow: Christ is King! ✝️
>Element... is clunky
I keep seeing people say this, mostly in comparison to discord. But I use both regularly, and I'm not seeing it. Discord has a lot more pretty pictures, to be sure, but in usability? Do non-techies really lack that much discernment that "moar dancing flashies!11!" really makes something that much more usable?

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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:16:56 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @cowanon @mint the sync issue I can live with since it really only effects large rooms for the first sync. The fact that the room is copied to all involved servers means more redundancy in the network which is a good thing imo. I think key exchange failures are annoying but they are also incredibly rare for me outside of a few federated rooms. Most of the time it self heals or everyone mocks the guy whos keys aren't syncing and we go on about our day.
  
  Guilds sound like spaces.
  Voice and video chat work. There is extra work required as an admin.
  There are roles but I won't argue. User management in matrix leaves much to be desired.
  Agree custom emojis would be cool. Not a deal breaker.
  Invite links work, but it would be cool if you didn't have to rely on matrix.to for that.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:16:57 JST NEETzsche
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  I can think of a number of ways Discord’s UI/UX is superior and it’s not just “flashies!!!11”
  The fact that it’s normal for you to need to spend more than 10s joining a channel that’s on another homeserver? Massive issue. The fact that it’s normal to have issues where you can’t exchange DMs because the keys won’t exchange? Massive issue.
  Really, either of those on their own are dealbreakers. But let’s consider some other things Discord has that Matrix does not:
  - Guilds are not individual channels, but groups of them
  - Voice chat actually works
  - Categories, roles, permissions for those roles
  - Custom emojis and reacts
  - Invite links that actually work
  These are all significant and they’re not just “more flashies!!11” Being dismissive of this stuff is basically just a coping mechanism.
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- mi (mi@sneed.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:17:09 JST mi
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  Discord and telegram don't have end to end encryption, enough reason for me to not use them. Telegram only has encryption if you turn on secret mode on.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:17:10 JST NEETzsche
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  Telegram has some cool shit that Matrix lacks as well, by the way.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:17:49 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @mi @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint agreed. E2ee is by far the most important feature for me with chat. Everything else is nice to have
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:30:14 JST NEETzsche
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  Security/privacy are key for tech spergs and political dissidents, sometimes criminals. Nobody else. I’m not asking you to give me your personal subjective opinion about these services, but instead to have a theory of mind and to comprehend that the wacky custom emojis are actually more important to people than if you’re secure from spying. And that this perception counts. It’s real. This actually matters even if you think it shouldn’t.
  
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  > Security/privacy are key for tech spergs and political dissidents, sometimes criminals.
  
  anyone with a slightly libertarian leaning can be called a political dissident. I agree that people think this stuff matters more. I argue that it is important to try and educate people about reality and encourage minimal exposure to surveillance, even if just for the sake of avoiding targeted advertising.
  
  The fact that everyone is a drooling retard when it comes to tech doesn't mean we should watch our friends walk into the mouth of the beast and say nothing.
  
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- mi (mi@sneed.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:30:26 JST mi
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  @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @cowanon @mint @thatguyoverthere Yeah, I'm not under the delusion that matrix has a better user experience but I'm willing to take a sacrifice in convenience to use a FOSS alternative. Even if matrix becomes objectively better people will still stay on discord because all their friends are on discord, normies only care about convenience, they don't care if they're being milked by corporations like cattle.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:30:27 JST NEETzsche
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  I understand exactly why people like XMPP/Matrix, but there’s basically no consideration given to the fact that this isn’t a dealbreaker to anybody who isn’t a tech sperg or a criminal. These services are about security first and UI/UX is, frankly, an afterthought at best.
  You’ll notice that most people get wrapped up in the latter and kind of disregard security/privacy concerns. They care more about if swiping right/left on the picture brings you to the next one than they do if the Feds can monitor your correspondence. You can call this foolhardy on the part of normies but if you ever want to overcome the network effect this reality needs to be taken seriously.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:31:24 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @cowanon @mint I do get that these things matter, and I think there is room for improvement, but I will always accept a subjectively degraded user experience for an objectively more secure communications platform
  
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- Matty-kun :Christmas_kitty_bell: (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:32:24 JST Matty-kun :Christmas_kitty_bell:
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  Element/Matrix definitely has its quirks but in my opinion it's the best option for self hosted, decentralized, federated encrypted chat services. I just wish calling worked.
  
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- :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:32:25 JST :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad:
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  Eh... discord's UI is passable, but element has a lot of basic things wrong. Like using "spaces" is a bit clunky and I have trouble guiding people to where they are sometimes.
  
  I still prefer it though since it's not run by literal furry pedos who sell you out to antifa. Although I gather they sold out to someone who sends data to the feds instead.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:32:57 JST Machismo
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  @matty @thatguyoverthere @mint @p @tn5421 @Yukari_Kajiwara @NEETzsche @cowanon @Eiregoat Reminder that matrix is better when you pretend that element doesn't exist. Please do not conflate those.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:37:09 JST NEETzsche
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  Yeah they’re pretty straightforward. There’s one that is supposed to do all of the services, called matterbridge, but that one is lackluster imo because it dumbs the metadata of the messages down too much. For example, it will reduce a Matrix message to something like <matty> Message here but it will post that as the message body, whereas the two bridges I’m about to link will preserve Matrix metadata like display name and avatar (screenshot related)
  My Telegram avatar will display correctly on both the Matrix channel and the Discord server. That’s massive. It’s subtle but it’s massive. People, myself included, respond to that.
  Here are the two bridges I run:
  - https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-discord
  - https://github.com/mautrix/telegram
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- Matty-kun :Christmas_kitty_bell: (matty@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:37:10 JST Matty-kun :Christmas_kitty_bell:
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  Is there some sort of documentation to setting up these bridges?
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:37:11 JST NEETzsche
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  One actual use of Matrix that’s quite compelling is as a hub for bridging other more capable services. I have a Matrix<–>Telegram and Discord<–>Matrix bridge so that if you post a message in one you ultimately end up posting it in all three. I’m more than willing to add other commercial services to this.
  This addresses the UI/UX issue quite elegantly. Since normies get real persnickety about which features they insist on with the UI/UX, just let them pick the one they want and have the bridge translate between them as best it can. Matrix’s flexibility when it comes to “events” (which we as end users view as messages) makes it so that you can do a full translation of basically any of these services into a Matrix event, and then from there the parts that are translatable can translate across all the other commercial services.
  And if they janny my Discord server or my Telegram channel or whatever else? Just make another one.
  It’s like bringing the federation to the normies. It’s compelling.
  
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  @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @Eiregoat @cowanon @matty @mint bridges are something I have wanted to get going but just haven't found the time to dig into.
  
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- :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:39:42 JST :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad:
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  Tbh, I think you're right, although it shouldn't be that way. The average person isn't less dependent on security than technies, they're just less aware of it and expect it served up on a plate.
  
  Kinda like how the average person doesn't know how their car works, they just expect it to work, and if it doesn't they expect a new one or someone to fix it for them.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:39:43 JST NEETzsche
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  This idea that we’re supposed to “educate people about reality” and that if they aren’t singularly concerned with privacy/security they are a “drooling retard” is extremely condescending and plays into how these services will never break the network effect.
  
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- NEETzsche (neetzsche@iddqd.social)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 22:46:14 JST NEETzsche
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  Bridges are extremely compelling in the use case I’m offering because that use case involves public rooms. I don’t post sensitive information on these channels because they’re public. Public is public. The best E2EE won’t matter one whit for a channel that anybody with an Internet connection can just walk into. In the case of public rooms, UI/UX is king and anti-jannying measures are a close second.
  It’s when you’re doing private correspondence of a confidential nature, that’s when things like privacy/security come to the fore, and become really pertinent. But if I’m not sending bank account numbers or plans to blow up the US government, I just don’t care that much if someone surreptitiously reads my logs and finds out I had a three hour argument about if CofD 2e Werewolves an use Primal Rage to ambush Mages. I’ll take being guilty of TTRPG Asperger’s on the nose, and the Feds and my employer can read all about it if they really feel like it.
  
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  @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @cowanon @mint most people assume if it's in an official app store, it's safe and secure. I didn't say people are drooling retards in all aspects of life, but the majority of people treat digital technology like enchanted rune stones and never question how or why things work the way they do. With most technology that's probably fine (you don't need to understand internal combustion engines to push the pedal and go), but in the realm of communications I think helping people understand that what they type on their phone it isn't necessarily going to be sent directly to me and only accessible to me is not condescending, but kind. If they don't care great that's on them, but most people have no idea how not private their intended private communications are.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:38:48 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @Eiregoat @cowanon @matty @mint yeah I don't think ALL communication needs to be private/secure, but I do think it should be easy to encrypt and verify encrypted status of messages.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:41:19 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Zerglingman @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint I doubt how effective having the state license drivers is to begin with. They end up holding it over people's heads for completely unrelated things.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:41:20 JST Machismo
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  @thatguyoverthere @tn5421 @p @mint @cowanon @Yukari_Kajiwara @NEETzsche >you don't need to understand internal combustion engines to push the pedal and go
  I am still in favour of making a basic knowledge test on car internals part of getting a licence.
  
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  @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @cowanon @mint @p @tn5421 that said, I think understanding how cars work is something worth doing. I wouldn't force the wife to learn how to change spark plugs though.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:46:25 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Zerglingman @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint you can just touch them and they'll hurt you if they're good :smirk:
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:46:26 JST Machismo
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  @thatguyoverthere @tn5421 @p @mint @cowanon @Yukari_Kajiwara @NEETzsche changing spark plugs is dead simple tbh, identifying when you need to is the hard part; I'm not sure I could do that. But then, I don't own a car. I don't want to, they're a massive pain in the ass no matter what.
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:47:10 JST Machismo
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  @thatguyoverthere @tn5421 @p @mint @cowanon @Yukari_Kajiwara @NEETzsche Well, yes. It's one of those things that was poorly designed from the outset. A saner implementation would be along the line of half the car's plate being hotswappable and being provided by the driver. And then people would just leave each other's plates on, and you wouldn't be able to tell until you were already on their ass.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:48:00 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Zerglingman @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint plugs might not have been the best example they are just screw in, but I just mean she's not keen to work on cars, and I wouldn't make an issue out of it. If it were something that interested her, I'd teach her what I know.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:48:16 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Zerglingman @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @cowanon @mint @p @tn5421 and they fucking hurt btw
  
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:48:28 JST Machismo
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  @thatguyoverthere @tn5421 @p @mint @cowanon @Yukari_Kajiwara @NEETzsche Ah yes of course, the electrician's test.
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:54:22 JST Corfiot
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  am I supposed to recognize this guy?
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Apr-2023 23:54:25 JST Corfiot
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  Of course it should be mandatory. Not necessarily to repair the engine, just know what you're using, if only for safety. Drivers control a 1ton box of metal and have actual responsibility for all passengers. They need to know how it works, at least to a point. How do your breaks work, how does the car start, what's safe to touch under the hood, how do you maintain your car, what to do if it breaks down in traffic, etc.
  
  Treating everything like a black box leads to a dystopic future where everything around us is a mystery and we rely 100% on specialists for the most basic things. Accepting total loss of control and becoming out of touch with the surrounding world and how it works.
  
  Let's not teach people gravity, electricity or chemistry. We have people for that.
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 00:48:10 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @corfiot @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint I mean I agree with the concept, but realistically the world we live in is technology built on technology built on technology and most people are not equipped with either the time or the capacity to understand every layer of every bit of technology they use so there have to be allowances made. I don't think specializing in a particular skill or relying on specialists for certain things is bad. I do think that self reliance is a good aim, but requiring everyone to be a mutli-specialty engineer to use any technology is probably not realistic.
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 00:48:12 JST Corfiot
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  > the majority of people treat digital technology like enchanted rune stones
  
  Then they should not have access to that technology, as a rule.
  
  Even for life-saving necessities, mainly because they can't maintain it. You go and install a high-tech desalination plant in an african village, don't expect it to work 6 months later. You have to stay there. Well, since you're there how about training a few of the locals to maintain it?
  
  Internet-enabled mobile phones: we give them to people and just let them loose on their own. No knowledge of privacy, online etiquette, social media effects, dealing with abuse, etc.
  
  Cars: I talked about this already. If you can't change your tyre, you shouldn't be driving.
  
  Medicine: any asshole thinks the antibiotic they were prescribed for a bug works for all bugs so they keep it and self-medicate. Or skin creams (that can go so horribly wrong btw). Or vitamins. Just read the fucking piece of paper in the packaging at least.
  
  Printers: yeah i don't know how laser printing works in detail but i should know enough to not stick my finger in there causing myself 3rd degree burns. Or just learn how to stop the thing from printing to save yourself premature white hair
  
  Video, audio, TV transmission (DVBT/DVBS), wireless technology (wow i have 100% wifi signal but i can't connect why is that), whatever
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 00:54:23 JST Corfiot
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  you can understand at least the top layer
  i mean, knowing that your car uses combustion to push a piston is not exactly rocket science
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 01:36:29 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @corfiot @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint yeah but knowing those words belong together is different from understanding **how** combustion pushes the piston which is a bit more technical. I think most people "know" something about the fact that pistons are moving when the engine is running and that combustion is responsible for that, but that knowledge is just deep enough to communicate which is probably sufficient if they can rely on specialists to fix the problems they can't fully grasp.
  
  I think it's fine to not expect everyone to understand technology in order to use it, but I also think that proprietary technologies intentionally prevent you from being able to understand them and that's harmful.
  
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- Night (nott@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 01:36:38 JST Night
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  @Eiregoat @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint @thatguyoverthere I use it daily and I think the ui is shit too, but I don't make much use of spaces
  
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- Corfiot (corfiot@pleroma.elementality.org)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 01:47:05 JST Corfiot
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  I won't belabour the point, I think I've made it well enough.
  
  As for proprietary technology, I mostly agree, as long as we don't vilify an inventor's right to make money off his inventions.
  
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  @corfiot @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @Zerglingman @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @mint yeah no we all have to eat
  
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- The Very Merry Mancow: Christ is King! ✝️ (cowanon@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 09:12:46 JST The Very Merry Mancow: Christ is King! ✝️
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- Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 09:12:47 JST Machismo
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  @thatguyoverthere @corfiot @NEETzsche @Yukari_Kajiwara @cowanon @mint @p @tn5421 UBI pls
  
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- Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Apr-2023 09:13:14 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
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  @Zerglingman @Yukari_Kajiwara @tn5421 @p @NEETzsche @cowanon @corfiot @mint yeah let's give government more excuses to print money
  
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