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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 01:18:36 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 01:19:44 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     I wonder if you could build a reasonably useful BCI for under 500 bucks :curious:
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 01:34:27 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @thatguyoverthere not working?
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:00:14 JST modpod

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     @thatguyoverthere I have a Muse EEG headset I'm willing to let off cheap that I don't use anymore if you wanna try and hack it to play nice with GnuBrain or whatever that project was, or similar.. :0080:
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:02:12 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @modpod that would be cool. I was looking around and some of the headsets are quite pricey, especially if you don't have a NEED and just want to hack around.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:28:53 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • modpod
     @modpod yeah I have would be hesitant to share my brain activity with a smart phone, but using it with my laptop might be a lot of fun. I think being familiar with the technology is probably not the worst idea, especially if it can be used to increase productivity in a way that doesn't diminish privacy (i.e. not interested in feeding brain wave data into "the cloud")
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:28:54 JST modpod

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     @thatguyoverthere I just found it the other day. I've got a hard case for it, and would need to locate that, but I know it's still in the apartment somewhere. :)
     
     Yeah they are not cheap, and I take grave issue with a smart phone knowing anything about my brain activity, so I never used it with the official software, just something called mindMonitor, and then this other app developed by Dan Winter and Patrick Botte, that I paid waaay too much for. (like 199$?) Flame In Mind.
     
     besides the music software, probably one of the most expensive apps in the apfel app-store ecosystem.
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   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:34:45 JST modpod

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     @thatguyoverthere yeah truth be told its a cool device for sure. i mean its interesting to see how many times you hit a particular range of brain activity, and what changes when you relax, and so on.
     
     :)
     
     and yea screw the cloud..
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:39:13 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • modpod
     @modpod when I was younger I took a bit of time to try and understand the various levels of brain activity (alpha, theta, delta, etc) and how they related to various states of consciousness. Being able to graph it with an EEG would be really cool.
     
     I also think if you can register it as a regular input device you could probably train yourself to trigger events on the machine (opening an application, play music, etc).
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:52:52 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @modpod I was watching a video the other day talking about a 1000 dollar headset with an sdk that sounded like it was pretty powerful. He used thinking about sucking on a lemon as a trigger for something and it got me thinking. I use i3 with a lot of keyboard shortcuts and if you could write a program that looks for sucking on a lemon and issues the open a new terminal window command or switch to a different desktop that'd be pretty cool.
     
     Obviously there sdk is for their headset, but the concepts should apply as long as you can read and process the data.
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 02:52:53 JST modpod

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     @thatguyoverthere okay now thats interesting - what you put in the second paragraph.
     
     
     and yeah i can relate i did the same. :) i found it critical to me learning how to actually relax. lol
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 03:00:13 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • modpod
     @modpod https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=-HYbFm67Gs8 this is the video. He hooks up to chatGPT which is interesting, but not for me.
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 03:00:14 JST modpod

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     @thatguyoverthere wow thats cool lol
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 03:30:39 JST modpod

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     @thatguyoverthere hmm wow yeah i'm thoroughly convinced ai is demons.. i dropped the playhead a few places and he's one of those fast talkers.
     
     For some reason I want to smack all of those people.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 03:30:39 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • modpod
     @modpod I don't think it's demons, but I do think it's quickly becoming the new idol for many to worship.
     
     I have only watched a few of his videos. So far the content has been decent, but yeah that is a specific cadence that I think is popular on the youtoobs
   • Santa Noodle ☦️ (bowsacnoodle@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:10:23 JST Santa Noodle ☦️

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     @modpod @thatguyoverthere I am watching for the switcheroo down the road. Idol worship, certainly. I worry about people offloading so much of our thinking to a machine or "bot". Remember having conversations where people didn't look up the answer right away? As we become more reliant on AI and eventually create better versions of it using tech that's beyond the understanding of even the average "techie" person, that's when I expect problems. Never ever let AI govern or vote. That's all I'll say.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:10:23 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • modpod
     @BowsacNoodle @modpod > Remember having conversations where people didn't look up the answer right away?
     
     those were the days. I've actually had people get agitated with me because I refused to look something up on the googles.
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:17:45 JST modpod

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️
     @BowsacNoodle @thatguyoverthere to put it simply:
     
     computers are dumb as fc**. if you've ever tried programming one, you'll understand this immediately. they ONLY do what you tell them. AI isn't just a massive collection of if than statements. it has imho non corporeal animus. I've got a book about MK Ultra that talks about this on and off, and a few other MK Ultra type books that talk about this stuff too.
     
     back in 1947 Jack Parsons and a few others, ripped a hole in time space, and allowed demons to enter. weird story there.
     
     but it's where most of our high technology we're currently still using, comes from. Humans didn't invent the stuff we're using, today. It was largely given to us.
     
     You don't go from the wild west, to the electro mechanical age to inventing things that work in ways nobody understands, unless you have help. imho.
     
     anyway, as far as people feeding the thing, yeah that's bad too. so much of AI is as much as getting a demon attached to every human body, as it is getting people dependent on those demons to do their bidding, and making them exponentially stupider, in the process, because they're not exercising their own grey matter, but simply just asking questions of a machine, of all things, and not doing any of their own rational thinking, or reasoning, discerning, and so forth. this is clearly a problem.
     
     what does a child do when its learning bout the world? they ask their parents stuff they don't understand.
     
     what does a lazy entitled adult do when it wants to pretend it understands things that it doesn't feel it's able to learn on its own? apparently they ask ai.
     
     in just several short generations, humans will be unable to think for themselves.
     
     just watch.
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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:17:45 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @modpod @BowsacNoodle
     
     > You don't go from the wild west, to the electro mechanical age to inventing things that work in ways nobody understands, unless you have help. imho.
     
     I don't know if that's necessarily true. Sometimes innovative new technology makes room for other technologies that couldn't be conceived of without that technology.
     
     > not doing any of their own rational thinking, or reasoning, discerning, and so forth. this is clearly a problem.
     
     :100a: I agree. The thing is if more people could grasp **what** AI is, they might approach it a little differently. It seems like a lot of people think it's a truthful and trustworthy assistant, and everyone is looking for ways to start using it "as a force multiplier" (in the words of the dorkus Mayorkas) for all kinds of things it may or may not be well suited for.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:22:54 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • modpod
     @modpod @BowsacNoodle I think there is some utility in AI, but I don't think a lot of the things people want it to do are things it's ready to do (or that we necessarily should give it to do).
   • modpod (modpod@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:22:55 JST modpod

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     • Santa Noodle ☦️
     @thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle as a general blanket statement. but yes, there are outliers. :)
     
     not an attempted fork, but i also wonder how many people realize that 1/3 of the cars on the road in the 1890s were electric. for example. :)
     
     
     
     also, 100% agree. I think if people actually understood it, they wouldn't see it as anything magical, or useful and the vc's would all have to go find something else to hedge their bets on.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:53:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @Bro-Drillard @modpod @BowsacNoodle yeah. We aren't talking about evolution though. We're talking about giving computers the ability to make decisions in the real world that could impact humans in ways we can't even begin to imagine yet. It's gonna be wild
   • BroDrillard (bro-drillard@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:53:39 JST BroDrillard

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     • modpod
     @thatguyoverthere @modpod @BowsacNoodle >everyone is looking for ways to start using it "as a force multiplier" (in the words of the dorkus Mayorkas) for all kinds of things it may or may not be well suited for.
     
     That's how evolution works though. All kinds of random things are tried, and some of them happen to work out.
   • BroDrillard (bro-drillard@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:54:35 JST BroDrillard

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     @NailBomb @thatguyoverthere @modpod @BowsacNoodle Modern media trains people to think that way.

     Amusing Ourselves to Death is highly recommended. The key point is that when only books were available people were willing and capable of understanding long sentences and complex arguments. Modern media trains people’s brain to think differently in context free soundbites.

     Also news used to be local and actionable. “Farmer Joe’s cow got lost, let’s go look for it.” Now it’s about some random shit far away that doesn’t affect people’s lives and they can’t do anything about it anyway.

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   • NailBomb Patriotism 🐍 WWG1WGA (nailbomb@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2023 04:54:36 JST NailBomb Patriotism 🐍 WWG1WGA

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     • modpod
     >remember having conversations
     
     I remember. Now all I get are hollow, talking point response loops.