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1. Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:52:03 JST Angry Sun
   is the objection to E2EE Fedi DMs "use a real messenger" I'm having trouble coming up with my own objections other than that one
   • zonk :fatteratte: (zonk@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 05:52:02 JST zonk :fatteratte:

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     @sun how can you ever trust your server admin to actually use real e2e and not just roll their own spyware in the middle? it's such a silly usecase. if you need the privacy just use a dedicated app
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   • Dushman (dushman@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:40:20 JST Dushman

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     • Phantasm

     @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world
     @sun@shitposter.world @phnt@fluffytail.org
     Yeah it would be a needlessly complicated feature for fedi. You should be using something dedicated like Signal or XMPP or whatever for e2ee communication. OMEMO works fine one on one but is wonky in groups.

   • Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 06:40:21 JST Phantasm

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     @sun I guess nobody thinking this would be a great idea has read lain's article about it from years ago.
     
     As for the objection: The resulting design will very likely not be compatible with multiple AP implementations and dealing with keys/trusting them will be broken (like XMPP) or overlooked and broken (Matrix). Due to the nature of Fedi DMs, you are essentially dealing with groupchats. The final product will be OMEMO, but instead of XML as the base protocol, JSON will be used.
     
     EDIT: Here's lain's article for the curious ones https://blog.soykaf.com/post/encryption/
   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 07:14:33 JST Angry Sun

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     tons of great answers to this, I didn't think hard about it at all.
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   • zonk :fatteratte: (zonk@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 07:14:36 JST zonk :fatteratte:

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     @sun power of the hive mind
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   • Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 07:14:39 JST Angry Sun

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     @i I had no idea where this was or who was doing it specifically
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   • :blank: (i@declin.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Dec-2024 07:14:40 JST :blank:

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     @sun you also could have read the thing where it addresses most of the common points over and over again https://soatok.blog/category/technology/open-source/fediverse-e2ee-project/ instead