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1. cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 06:59:19 JST cjd
   Fuck yes. Best Timeline.
   • BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 06:59:17 JST BSD/r000t

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     @cjd
     Ackman and Andreeson are the ones I actually trust to do it right.

   • BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 07:07:04 JST BSD/r000t

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     @cjd
     He primary issue is they're paid per inmate. So now you got this industry lobbying for hilariously draconian sentences and against legalizing everything.

     Human behavior is incentives.

   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 07:07:05 JST cjd

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     • BSD/r000t
     If they would deregulate private prisons, the cost would fall to 1/10th.
     
     Hell, they could dodge the ENTIRE question of humane treatment by making the private prisons optional, so if the inmate doesn't like it, back to state prison.
   • BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 07:17:12 JST BSD/r000t

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     @cjd
     I also don't think it's very smart to deregulate an industry that's *literally* captive. Especially when it's basically impossible to get anybody to accept something bad, as bad. Because "hurr durr don't go to prison then"

     I'm not saying they should be resorts like in F*nland but our prisons actually spit out people that are more likely to reoffend. This literally only makes sense if you think torture is a selling point rather than something to chase out.

   • BSD/r000t (r000t@ligma.pro)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 08:24:22 JST BSD/r000t

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     • pepsi_man

     @cjd
     'member when that's how you found out what the local movie theatre's phone number was?
     @pepsi_man

   • pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 08:24:23 JST pepsi_man

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     • BSD/r000t
     @cjd @r000t
     Kinda what I was getting at, but what you run into is chain gangs competing with union labor, so the prison labor would have to be really menial hard labor that no one wants anyway. The problem then becomes what happens when you run out of volunteers, and you have to start forcing the labor.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 08:24:23 JST cjd

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     • BSD/r000t
     • pepsi_man
     There needs to be some incentives for these prisons to IMPROVE people, so that when they come out, they're better / happier / more well rounded citizens.
     
     In any case, automation has mostly replaced chain gangs so pretty much any work is going to be at least slightly knowledge-based.
   • pepsi_man (pepsi_man@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 08:24:24 JST pepsi_man

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     • BSD/r000t
     @cjd @r000t
     Slave labor would be more cost effective.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 08:24:24 JST cjd

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     • BSD/r000t
     • pepsi_man
     The implication is that the private prisons can use the labor of the prisoners to offset their costs.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 29-Nov-2024 08:24:25 JST cjd

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     • BSD/r000t
     This is a topic I kind of care about. State and federal prisons are fucked for a lot of reasons. They DO torture people, they're good for no one except the prison gangs, they're something we'll look back on in 100 years and say "omg we did THAT?"
     
     I think deregulated private prisons can work, one reason is because privatization allows for experimentation. You can have startups trying things. I think they should be rewarded based on non-recidivism. This is not the easiest thing to put together, but it's worth it.
     
     As I said, I think the solution to any kind of mistreatment is to make it a voluntary choice of the inmate to participate in this system, and something they can change their mind on, and go back to state prison which is run like it's run.
     
     I know that "or else you go to public prison" is a terrible or-else because public prison is still torture, but at least this kind of thing would allow a program to get off the ground.