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1. ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 19:07:10 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт
   I guess Linux distros are doubling down on Wayland. RIP Linux 2024 you were something great and now you've downgraded to being a broken toy that devs don't want to touch with a ten foot pole. Great job nerds!
   • Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 19:07:08 JST Observer/Noticer

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     The MS AI push has me seriously considering switching to linux.

   • Tyler (tyler@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 19:07:08 JST Tyler

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     I've been running it consistently for over 10 years, it's perfectly fine for 99.5% of what most people want to do.
     
     That 0.5% you can work around or find alternative solutions.
   • :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy: (goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 19:07:09 JST :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy:

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     My one hope is windows becoming so bad that real developers are left with no choice but to roll up their sleeves and make linux great.

   • :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy: (goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 19:07:10 JST :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy:

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     Not curating FOSS developers was the death knell.

   • Observer/Noticer (volkish_observer@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 19:07:23 JST Observer/Noticer

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     The one doubt I have is gaming. It's a meme but Windows just works in that regard, solely because of its large user base.

   • ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 20:03:24 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт

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     @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper
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     † top dog :pedomustdie: likes this.
   • ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 20:03:25 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт

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     @Suiseiseki @Goalkeeper
     
     Get out of here, you're just a fringe lunatic when it comes to computing.
     
     99% of your arguments sound like Scientology to the average person...
     
     I'm not being mean or flippant, the GNU crowd is super fringe in the world of tech.
   • 翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 20:03:25 JST 翠星石

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     @charlie_root @Goalkeeper >Get out of here, you're just a fringe lunatic when it comes to computing.
     >Poster on the federated network that was only possible due to GNU Social.
     >Saying that I need to get out of here and I'm the lunatic.
     
     >99% of your arguments sound like Scientology to the average person...
     Unlike Scientology, my arguments are correct.
     
     >the GNU crowd is super fringe in the world of tech.
     If GNU was so fringe, how come GNU software gets used absolutely everywhere?
     https://www.gnu.org/software/
     
     Sure it's popular to cover up even the mention of GNU, by referring to it as "Linux", so people don't learn of its existence and consider it to be something fringe.
   • 翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 20:03:26 JST 翠星石

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     @charlie_root @Goalkeeper Total "FOSS" death!
     
     Linux is only a kernel, a proprietary one at that, that doesn't operate on its own.
     
     
     The Linux SYSCALL ABI has been mostly ABI compatible for 20+ years (support for old syscalls that nobody really uses anymore can be enabled or disabled with a .config option) and the API is stable.
     
     
     The ABI and API of macos and ios changes all the time, it's just that apple forces all the developers to port to the latest version, otherwise the software will stop working (they dropped 32 bit support years ago, forcing developers to port to 64bit for example).
     
     Very old windows software is known to break a LOT on newer versions, although microsoft is know for keeping around massive amount of cruft as that makes something things keep working (ReactOS or WINE is sometimes better at running old windows software than windows, not that you should do so).
     
     
     The GNUlibc (glibc) API has been pretty consistent, with just the addition of functions really - it's ABI is even forward compatible.
     
     GtK+, GtK2, GtK3, GtK4 and Qt software all work just fine on Xorg and wayland does support GtK+, GtK2 & GtK3 software via Xwayland.
     
     Linux doesn't follow any standards, but that really doesn't matter as long as it keeps its syscall API usable by glibc.
     
     GNU is mostly POSIX-compatible, meaning that if you have free software written for some POSIX-compatible OS, chances are it will compile and work with no or minor modifications, but really POSIX is treated as a suggestion; https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Non_002dGNU-Standards
     
     Following any standard is much less important that keeping free software free mind you; https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#Legal-Issues
     
     
     The reason why there isn't much proprietary software on GNU/Linux doesn't have anything to do with "moving targets", as glibc and Qt have been around for decades - the reason is mostly due to developer incompetence (which is surprising considering getting software to compile and work on GNU/Linux is a breeze thanks GCC gcc, GNU make and GNU autools, unlike on windows, where it's actually only feasible to compile anything via windows ports of GCC and GNU make via MSYS2 or via "visual studio" (which has a bloated installer that is very likely to fail to actually install the damn thing)) and also library proprietary sabotage via proprietary windows-only libraries and databases, but that isn't a bad thing, as every proprietary program ported is yet another piece of temptation that soils the freedom.
     
     Really, I can grab decently written 20 year old software and compile it just fine on GNU/Linux-libre with only a few patches and good luck doing that on windows or macos.
   • ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 20:03:27 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт

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     They keep wanting to reinvent the wheel, meanwhile software devs that might make Linux ports are going to be pushed away because Linux will never land on any standard it will always be a moving target.
     
     Meanwhile Windows and Apple stay pretty consistent...