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1. minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:19:17 JST minute

   is there a modern GUI for networkmanager which is not gnome-control-center?

   • Drew DeVault (drewdevault@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:22:56 JST Drew DeVault

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     @mntmn try nmtui with a pretty terminal theme and a good dose of self delusion

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:22:56 JST minute

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     • Drew DeVault

     @drewdevault that's what i'm currently using :D it just puzzles me that the TUI is better than any GUI

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:25:37 JST minute

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     • grillchen

     @grillchen yep, i know connman and like its GUI, but unfortunately it is "nonstandard". i'm looking for a GUI like connman's, but for nm...

   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:25:45 JST grillchen

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     @mntmn connman afaik has multiple guis but afaik it is alternative to networkmanager. in case u were asking for network managers in general and not the network manager networkmanager
   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:32:10 JST minute

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     • grillchen

     @grillchen haha i like this prose

   • grillchen (grillchen@brotka.st)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:32:13 JST grillchen

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     @mntmn well if u wanna suffer alot ubuntu has netplan to configure networkmanager. it has a gui but u have to dig down in the deepest swamp of canonicals fever dreams
   • linkert (linkert@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 02:42:10 JST linkert

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     @mntmn GUI? Barely know 'er.. But I do know `iwd` and `iwctl` which is TUI/cli

   • NetworkManager (networkmanager@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 03:34:14 JST NetworkManager

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     @mntmn Short answer: probably not.

     Long answer:

     The previous responses seem to fall into three categories: things that are not GUI, things that are not modern and things that are neither modern nor GUI.

     I believe it's because the question includes a contradiction. Modern application design focuses on what does the program do, not what is the backend. NetworkManager provides a lot of functionality that doesn't necessarily translate well to a GUI app design.

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 03:34:14 JST minute

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     • NetworkManager

     @NetworkManager well, nmtui is pretty good! it's just unusual for people who are not used to work with TUIs. i.e. it's a break in UI paradigm if you are used to deal with GUIs.

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 03:44:22 JST minute

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     • NetworkManager

     @NetworkManager nmcli has a bigger learning curve, it is not as discoverable. nmtui can be used without a lot of thinking

   • NetworkManager (networkmanager@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 03:44:23 JST NetworkManager

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     @mntmn funny thing is that we keep hearing this, but none of us use it and we tend to have trouble understanding why would someone use it instead of nmcli. We maintain it just because we take the users' word for that they find it useful.

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 06:17:27 JST minute

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     • NetworkManager

     @NetworkManager yeah, so there's some "standalone" thing missing then for folks who want to use wayfire, labwc, sway etc.

   • NetworkManager (networkmanager@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 23-Mar-2023 06:17:28 JST NetworkManager

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     @mntmn About every desktop out there (#GNOME, #KDE, #Cinnamon, #Budgie, ...) ships some GUI for NM. Typically it shows some status indication, has a limited ability to create connections (VPNs or hw devices + DHCP only), connect to a Wi-Fi. They also respond to requests for passwords.

     Then there's the GNOME Control Center (KDE, again, likely has its own thing) that can edit connection profiles, but not necessarily start/stop them (shell does that). I think KDE Plasma has its own thing.

   • Íñigo Huguet (ihuguet@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 20-Oct-2023 23:30:18 JST Íñigo Huguet

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     • NetworkManager

     @mntmn @NetworkManager Exactly. Cli tools are great (and often better) when you start to be an expert user.

     But for normal users that configure a connection once a year, it's impossible to remember the exact commands. That doesn't happen with GUI/TUI programs.