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1. Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:02:22 JST Meemoo
   new NIKKE drama just dropped gentlemen :awoo_popcorn:
   
   https://nitter.varishangout.net/ZakugaMignon/status/1636822057559248898?s=19
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:13:17 JST Meemoo

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     • Shouchou
     @Shouchou not gonna stop me from watching people seethe :kekw:
     
     Been following any drama sorrounding the game since it's release 🍿🍿
   • Shouchou (shouchou@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:13:18 JST Shouchou

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     @Meemoo They're known for doing that, it's an open secret :shrug:
   • бүх зүйлийн төгсгөл :DamnFemaleKid: (derleere@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:14:01 JST бүх зүйлийн төгсгөл :DamnFemaleKid:

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     @Meemoo oh no
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   • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip: (gronsak@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:14:41 JST :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:

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     @Meemoo bo ho get a real job
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:16:42 JST Meemoo

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     @Gronsak check his profile :a_little_trolling:
   • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip: (gronsak@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:37:45 JST :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:

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     @Meemoo Oh its the one starting that anti AI movement. I bet he didn't care that much when machines and robots made other jobs obsolete. :chino_angry:
   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 03:37:45 JST Cayhr

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     @Gronsak I wonder how those table makers feel about mass produced tables (they still make money by offering quality products that IKEA cannot).
     @Meemoo
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:21:18 JST Meemoo

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Cayhr @Gronsak meanwhile it's common to buy from local carpenters here and hire them to fix shit
   • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip: (gronsak@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:25:58 JST :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:

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     • Cayhr
     @Cayhr @Meemoo but that means they need to have a art style and not draw generic shit. :akko_shrug:
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   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:25:58 JST Meemoo

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Gronsak @Cayhr I really don't understand their fear over AI.
     
     artists won't suddenly disappear overnight because AI isn't something that can generate entirely new characters or draw things in the exact detail that you desire among other infinite things that an artist can do.
     
     plus there's people like me who don't like AI art simply because of the uncanny valley aspect so :zt_shrug:
   • Cayhr (cayhr@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:30:35 JST Cayhr

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     @Meemoo Yeah, there's always going to be an artisan that offers well above the mass-produced level. The "artists" (and I'm going to use that term loosely from here on out) that are most upset at the AI are the ones getting filtered by it. And to be fair, that anger and resentment is expected. I'm an artist, but... I see it less as a threat and more as a tool. These people see it as a threat because they never offered anything of value in the first place. Using the table example again, mass produced tables are effectively 5 pieces of wood put together for function. An artisan (implying human) has the ability to do much more than the factory, like adding artistic and functional customizations into the table. The person made obsolete by the table factory was making 4 sticks holding up a piece of paper. I don't think these CalArts or crappy-anime-art people were competing in the first place. It's one thing to have "technically poor" art while being in a learning phase or just doing it for shits and giggles, but it's another to peddle oneself proudly as an "artist" while offering... well, crap. I think the most tragic (but deserved) situation of an "artist" having outcry about AI is the one that has been trying to go professional but hasn't been able to reach a professional standard for a long time. There IS some level of objectivity, and the anti-AI bros either can't compete or feel burdened by an evolving arms race.
     
     Something more interesting is how inconsiderate people are: How much work was put into making the technology work? Now yes I do remember one of the devs of one of these "AI art" programs is a legitimate dummy talking about talent disparity or whatever, but credit to him for making the technology work. His program will never beat the artisanry of a professional human, but he was able to industrialize the process. These programs have very sudden impact because that last line of code that makes it all work... then signals the release of the whole project. Plus all the time required to train the models. For years it will go unnoticed (by the general population) until suddenly it is good enough to gain traction... which is apparently now.
     
     PS: Objectively good art while in a subjective style can be seen in a game like Pizza Tower. It is objectively good art because it extremely effectively conveys its intent: to be a goofy, cartoony, and simplistic art style. Objectively bad art is some artist trying to compete with the greats while having many technical errors and making excuses like "it's my style" and "art/beauty is subjective."
     @Gronsak
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:46:21 JST Meemoo

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Cayhr @Gronsak I personally think it will only affect the beginner artists that try to get money through commissions. but then again, they already only get comms from friends and people paying to support them already, so i don't see how they are truly affected.
     
     the professional industry standard is already high enough so artists who actually want to "make it" have to work hard regardless of AI existing or not.
     I follow a thousand artists on twitter and majority of them are still in their "pre-professional" period despite drawing for years. the industry is tough to get into.
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:47:48 JST Meemoo

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     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Ronnie21093 @Cayhr @Gronsak sucks for those companies then, because I don't pay for low-effort products :shrug:
   • Ronnie21093 (ronnie21093@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:47:49 JST Ronnie21093

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Meemoo @Gronsak @Cayhr I personally think that the fear is that once AI is good enough, companies will start replacing most of their artists with AI generators.
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:52:56 JST Meemoo

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     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Ronnie21093 @Cayhr @Gronsak what others do doesn't really effect me, I will seek out what I want myself :shrug:
     
     a lot of people already pay for garbage AAA games but im doing just fine sticking to the good stuff (in this case, human art)
   • Ronnie21093 (ronnie21093@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 04:52:57 JST Ronnie21093

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Meemoo @Cayhr @Gronsak You might not, but there are loads of normies who wouldn't even be able to identify AI "art" even if you told them what to look out for.
     There are also people who don't even care.
   • 80085 (80085@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:07:21 JST 80085

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Meemoo @Cayhr @Gronsak the status of becoming a "professional artist" has been one that's interested me a while, I've seen a few people with amazing skill not be able to make it and people who can't draw for shit taking off big. I think a lot of it comes down to personality and your own character. If AI suddenly becomes good enough to replace pure talent, all that'll be left are the people with character.
     
     Makes me wonder if this anti-AI grift is a method for people with no personality to get their voices out there pretending its to help other artists, even if they themselves aren't aware of it. I think loving yourself, being confident in what you believe in and being outspoken about it is a great way to that kind of success without having to be a snake. I'd imagine a lot of people making drama of this AI art thing don't happen to have much of that.
   • Meemoo (meemoo@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:07:21 JST Meemoo

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • 80085
     • Cayhr
     @80085 @Cayhr @Gronsak it's hard to tell exactly when an artist reaches the "industry standard" but from what I noticed through constantly observing Japanese artists, most people who work professionally are those with really good polish or an ability to draw distinct character designs (because companies will typically hire you to do a bunch of OCs).
     A lot of beginner artists suffer from "same-face syndrome" which won't fly in a professional environment unless you can make up for it in other areas (Takeuchi can do polishing extremely well despite the same-face memes in his later career)
   • Fenix (azur_fenix@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:29:55 JST Fenix

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     • Shouchou
     @Meemoo @Shouchou I'm just in it for to the waifu and the hentai. Gane I still play but sparingly
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   • :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:30:23 JST :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china:

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     • Suzu :miku_happy:
     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • tomboy justice chan
     • Cayhr
     @rainignterror1080p @Suzu @Cayhr @Gronsak @Meemoo @Ronnie21093
     i've been seeing better and better 3d being used in anime lately, still needs work tho :ina_nod:
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   • tomboy justice chan (rainignterror1080p@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:30:24 JST tomboy justice chan

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     • Suzu :miku_happy:
     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Suzu @Ronnie21093 @Cayhr @Gronsak @Meemoo i can see perfected ai art making anime movies cheaper and also the hand drawn style would make a comeback since it'll be cheap as shit to produce if an ai was fed nothing but that :akko_fistup:
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   • Suzu :miku_happy: (suzu@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:30:25 JST Suzu :miku_happy:

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     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Ronnie21093 @Meemoo @Cayhr @Gronsak oh man. I remember when I was young, and there was all this fear that computers were increasingly replacing human labor, and then there was all that scare that "AIs would replace you in your job", and then people were like "well, the only jobs being replaced will be the 'mechanical' and 'logical' ones were it's easy for an AI to replace a human, creative people like artists and writers will never have to worry about being replaced".
     
     
     Oh, how the turntables...
   • tomboy justice chan (rainignterror1080p@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:32:31 JST tomboy justice chan

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     @Meemoo who cares :bep_what:
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   • :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:32:52 JST :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china:

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     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Gronsak @Ronnie21093 @Cayhr @Meemoo
     corporate memphis doesnt have any soul anyways :awoo_disgust:
   • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip: (gronsak@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:32:52 JST :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:

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     • Ronnie21093
     • :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china:
     • Cayhr
     @kilostere @Cayhr @Meemoo @Ronnie21093
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   • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip: (gronsak@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:32:53 JST :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:

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     • Ronnie21093
     • Cayhr
     @Ronnie21093 @Meemoo @Cayhr so just like any industry before it have evolved and made people loose there job :akko_shrug:
   • Shizu (shizu@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:33:00 JST Shizu

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     @Meemoo The coomer game is using AI art? how disgusting :angery1:
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   • DarkMahesvara (darkmahesvara@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:33:47 JST DarkMahesvara

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     @Gronsak @Meemoo is it exploitation to use a calculator bros :awoo_think:
   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:33:47 JST luithe

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • DarkMahesvara
     @DarkMahesvara @Gronsak @Meemoo only when kids have them
   • 80085 (80085@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:35:29 JST 80085

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     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Meemoo @Cayhr @Gronsak in terms of industry then yeah the biggest selling point you can have for art is a distinct feel for your style. If we set professional as just "people who can make a living wage" it gets much more lenient on the types of people who can be counted among them. I think its very possible to be geniune to yourself and get a loyal crowd like that that way, but thosr kinds of people usually develop a unique style along the way too.
     
     Unfortunately professional whiners are also very profitable especially if they are in something popular and easily manipulated, everything from failed artists to scared boomers could get behind anti ai and said failed artists can take advantage of that then trick others into thinking they know what they are doing. At the end of the day I believe thesr weirdos are just trying to start a weird lynch mob against nikke for this for the hope of some form of relevancy
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   • :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china: (kilostere@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:35:56 JST :gura_sus: 1e+6 litres :flag_china:

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     • Suzu :miku_happy:
     • Ronnie21093
     • :tanya_evil2: Grönsak :tanya_sip:
     • Cayhr
     @Suzu @Ronnie21093 @Cayhr @Gronsak @Meemoo
     feels like the same type of shit as 'why would I hire a programmer when everything on stackexchange is free' :cirno_freeman:
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   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Monday, 20-Mar-2023 05:40:26 JST luithe

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     @Meemoo who cares the game is shit :awoo_bell: