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@rlier23 @WashedOutGundamPilot Idk. A StuG, Panther, or essentially any other German tank after 1943, was far better than anything Murica fielded in 1944.
Effective range over 2000m, and armor that can protect from equally ranged shells. The Allied Tank Corps just couldn't compete, even with the introduction of American Tank Destroyers, British Fireflys, and eventually the 76mm model.
No. Just tell the Germans to start mass producing Fw190s in the 1930s, with all the subsequeny innovations that came with the Fw190.
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@Largo @rlier23 @WashedOutGundamPilot Frontal protection and firepower is important, but what is just as important is proper usage. The big gun and front armour doesn’t matter if I hit you from the side from a position that you didn’t see
As for the Fw 190, I’m not super duper familiar with that, but to my understanding it would struggle at higher altitudes so I’m less certain mass-producing 190s would work. Maybe the Fw 190-based Ta-152s would’ve done better, idk, but I’m doubtful simply mass-producing 190s would work considering that the Americans have an excellent high-altitude fighter in the form of the P-47 Thunderbolt.
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@plotinus_enjoyer @rlier23 @WashedOutGundamPilot The Fw190 was a good performance Fighter, able to outperform its counterpart Spitfire in almost every metric.
High-altitude doesn't actually matter so long as your fighters outperform theirs, and the Fw190 C solved the high altitude performance issues (more or less).
P47s and P51s are high altitude fighters, well suited to escorting B17s, but what if you're intercepting the B17s before they reach 20,000 ft? Then the P51s and P47s either have to stop climbing (giving up the performance advantage at high altitude) or let you slaughter their B17s with 4 20mm cannons.
This is also not accounting for the fact that 1942 onwards, The Luftwaffe basically did little to no interception of Western Allied Bombers (or not as much as they should've) and when they did manage to scrape together a kampfgruppe to engage Bombers from all directions it generally ended in a "Black day-ending-with-y" situation. So its only reasonable to assume that if competent fighter planes had been mass produced sooner and been fielded against the Western Allies the results would've been far more favorable.
tl;dr Luftwaffe high command was corrupt, clueless, and incompetent, but at least they were loyal.
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@Largo @rlier23 @WashedOutGundamPilot Oh yeah, there were also the Dora models for the 190, those were designed to better cope with high altitudes but I’m pretty sure those entered service when the course of the war was pretty much decided
Regardless, the 190 until the Dora model wasn’t quite as good at high altitudes than the Bf 109 and the Bf 109 was still kind of competitive with upgrades and revisions. And maybe you think high altitude performance doesn’t matter, but clearly Kurt Tank thought it mattered enough to try to improve the high altitude performance of the Fw 190.
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