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1. Tga (tga@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:14:10 JST Tga

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   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
   • Signal
   • jayrope

   @rysiek @jayrope @signalapp I mean, the issue is more fundamental than that even: most Android phones in China *do not have play services*. Those phones don't stay in China, they trickle out to a lot of the rest of the world, but even ignoring that, the largest smartphone market in the world is essentially unsupported by Signal. The fact they claim to know what's best for the widest set of users while casually dismissing this problem as an issue for "the free software community" is indefensible.

   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:14:11 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     • Signal
     • jayrope

     @jayrope it's not just about power users. Every user should have the power not to have to use Google Play Services!

     It is the fact that @signalapp (and many other day-to-day apps) all but requires Google Play Services that makes it an option available only to "power users" who can flash their phone and install MicroG.

     So it's not that #Signal doesn't cater to power users, it's that Signal helps make certain things (using a privacy-preserving phone) a power-user-only thing!

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • jayrope (jayrope@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:14:13 JST jayrope

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
     • Signal

     @rysiek No joke, I was about to buy a Hisense A5 second hand actually, after a friend showd me that last summer. Superb! But hmm.
     Is there no way to just put Lineage on it even if incl. the Google stuff? But damn, i don't want the Google stuff at all. Why is @signalapp not on Fdroid? Signal treats "power users" (stupid term really) like an annoyance.

   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:14:14 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     Great read:
     https://ploum.net/2023-03-09-losing-signal.html

     > #Signal published a blog post on how we were all different and they were trying to adapt to those differences. Signal was for everyone, told the title. Ironically, that very same day, I’ve lost access to my account.

     > I’ve suddenly been excluded from all the conversations with my friends because I very slightly but unacceptably deviated from the norm.

     > 3yrs ago, I thought having a black and white screen on my own phone was more comfortable for my eyes.

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • ‏lol‏ ‏fedifriend (cat aspect) (samgai@vocalounge.cafe)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:42:06 JST ‏lol‏ ‏fedifriend (cat aspect)

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     • ploum
     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     From https://ploum.net/2023-03-09-losing-signal.html:

     > There’s only one way for a centralised service to become universal: impose your vision as a new universal standard. Create a new norm and threat every divergence as a dangerous dissidence.

     Very nicely said.

     One might be almost tempted to say that this sounds like an analogy for some power structures in society.

     Thanks to @ploum for writing this and to @rysiek for sending it my way!

   • ‏lol‏ ‏fedifriend (cat aspect) (samgai@vocalounge.cafe)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:42:07 JST ‏lol‏ ‏fedifriend (cat aspect)

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
     • Ploum

     @rysiek @ploum As a side note, I love how the article looks and behaves. For a few seconds, I thought I was in Firefox's reader mode.

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 (rysiek@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 09:42:08 JST Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

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     • ploum

     Oh, and of course the author is on fedi: @ploum

     Edit: updated author's fedi handle to use the current one

   • Karolina Bielnik (kbielnik@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 10-Mar-2023 10:51:55 JST Karolina Bielnik

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     • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

     @rysiek Wasn't using XMPP for last... at least 10 years. I guess, going back to xmpp would be feasible if there was signal-xmpp bridge I could run somewhere. Fast googling shows that there are some, but I don't know if I want another self hosted service to run.

     I really hope to see one day, where federation would be a mandatory thing (with standardized and secure public key infrastructure). I hate running six different messaging apps to be able to communicate with different sets of people.