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1. veff :trash: (veff@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 06:09:29 JST veff :trash:

   rw artnigga thread seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

   I want to make beautiful things because there's implicit meaning in beauty. I go to the library and see the cute gorl with a dress and bangs and big rimmed circle glasses and my day improves even if I don't talk to her. She's art. I work out so that others can have a good day because of me. it's like self sculpture. Is that "right wing?" does "right wing" even have any meaning?

   Is it "political?" nigga that's entirely up to the environment you place it in. Metal Gear Solid is the most surface level unpolitical geopolitical game ever made. Who cares. Culinary art can be political given enough screaming retards but I'd still eat it if it tasted good.

   • Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 06:09:28 JST Wolfgirl in Wheatfield

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     • Woodshop 🍁
     @veff @WoodshopHandman The dissident rw has a terminal case of big-brainism—essentially, "autism (the bad kind)", as you say. Dissident rwers would rather endlessly consume increasingly obscure and increasingly irrelevant ideological details and history of the NDSAP or other fascist movements than dare to create beauty or promote it in society, ironic considering Hitler's own artistic background.
     It can't be understated how much the rw in America is anti-art in its temperament. Any of the barriers put in place by the left in its strangle hold on art could be overcome if there wasn't an open hostility to art in conservative circles, which manifests itself with the issue presented in the paragraph above.
     Cultural puritanism and the intentional ugliness the with which American conservatism views the world and presents itself are the real enemy to rw art. Conservatism prides itself on being "uncultured", truthfully, an embrace of ugliness and disdain of their own history. It's very telling that the so-called rw art that does get made here is culture war reactionary garbage like "conservative super-hero comics" or idols to Trump and the constitution.
     :awoo_tired: shotgun snuggler :clownpiece_smug: likes this.
   • Woodshop 🍁 (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 06:09:29 JST Woodshop 🍁

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     @veff In regards to apolitical art (ideally, we're talking about stuff made by independent creators: actual people rather than corporate entities), it's less of a question of "is this piece of art (which isn't inherently beating you over the head with politics) made by someone with right wing views and will it be supported by those with right wing views?"
     my take on the matter is that right wingers have a very brutalist sort of utilitarian take on things and for one reason or another are adverse to that kind of behavior. I guess it's the reasoning behind that behavior that I'd like to figure out.
   • veff :trash: (veff@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 06:09:29 JST veff :trash:

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     • Woodshop 🍁

     @WoodshopHandman I skimmed the thread and Im not even sure the actual point but if the question generally is "why isn't there rw art" here are some passing hypotheses:

     1. Autism (the bad kind)

     2. Art is as ill-defined as love and so it often jumps between intrinsic beauty (a sunrise) and hypothetical (deep plotline, make u think media) and rw'ers generally like/make former over latter. we don't talk about the former because there's nothing to be said.

     3. There's definitely a control/power factor. It's like asking why there aren't any Islamic star-and-crescent insignias at the Vatican. If my game/movie/painting can't be publicly available then either it's super niche or I just don't make it. even completely apolitical stuff like fnaf got canned when the creator was ousted as a Trump supporter.

     4. Cultural pressures are a big factor. Political leanings of an individual are heavily influenced by the politics of the parents and peers, so an artistically inclined rw'er is much more likely to be steered away from it (by parents and the industry) and towards labor and other activities. My own brother was an outcast with art and had to pursue other stuff because nobody's hiring. So the problem reinforces itself; no demand makes no supply makes no demand

     :awoo_tired: shotgun snuggler :clownpiece_smug: repeated this.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 07:04:46 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     • Woodshop 🍁
     @WoodshopHandman @veff @wgiwf
     As far as I'm concerned, the proper goal of the right should be to try to carve out a space for the human in a cold and mechanized world.
   • Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 07:04:47 JST Wolfgirl in Wheatfield

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     • Woodshop 🍁
     @WoodshopHandman @veff "But that doesn't bring in the big bucks like starting a successful company and then offshoring everything once you make it big. Stop being a libtard"
   • Woodshop 🍁 (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 07:04:47 JST Woodshop 🍁

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     • Wolfgirl in Wheatfield
     @wgiwf @veff The greatest poison of the right wing is that it's autistic and very mechanical. The general goal of all right wing politics is to see everything and everyone as some interchangable machine part or a number on an excel spreadsheet. Art and emotion and passion and humanity are a minor setback on the road to making big line go up forever and ever. It's "muh FACTS and LOGIC" taken to its absurd (and generally evil/retarded) extreme, as opposed to the left's complete surrender to emotion and impulse taken to its own absurd (and generally evil/retarded) extreme.
     IMO if any sort of third position is to ever find its ground, it will have to find a place to stand that isn't on either side, but in some third, yet to be revealed thing that focuses on uplifting us and lives as humans, not as machines or as base impulsive animals like our current options. It will have to be a completely new frame of mind and that's gonna take a long time.
   • Woodshop 🍁 (woodshophandman@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 07:04:48 JST Woodshop 🍁

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     @veff 4 is the real crux of the thread, or at least my original intent. It's a question of why art isn't something everyone makes or consumes regardless of politics instead of being something for "those damn hippy liberals!"
   • Hollyjollytailspike (monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 10:13:36 JST Hollyjollytailspike

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     • Woodshop 🍁
     @wgiwf @veff @WoodshopHandman I actually think Dissident Right and NSDAP enthusiasts are two different groups
     Or at least, NSDAP enthusiasts are a small proportion of DR-ists
   • Wolfgirl in Wheatfield (wgiwf@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 10:13:41 JST Wolfgirl in Wheatfield

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     • Woodshop 🍁
     @monsterislandcolonizer @veff @WoodshopHandman Fair enough, that's one of the rabbit holes that people go down in an autistic manner. I'm not as familiar as to what the "more normie" parts of the dissident right are up to outside of trad/nrx stuff, tbh.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Friday, 30-Aug-2024 13:11:04 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @veff Beauty is treason in the empire of ugliness.