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1. Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:44:10 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

   • Sulla
   • somemightsay
   @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay Last time I checked the Church began in people's homes?
   
   My problem with the Catholic Church is simple it died off a long time ago when it became essentially 100% corruption and degeneracy. Forcing the Protestant reaction to that corruption and degeneracy.
   • Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:44:08 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     • Sulla
     • James_Dixon
     • somemightsay
     @James_Dixon @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay That seems to me like saying "yes the head is rotten but the fish is fine to eat?"
   • ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️ (kingofwhiteamerica@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:44:08 JST ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️

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     @Escoffier @James_Dixon @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay There are at least four things one should find in a living Church:

     1. the True Faith;
     2. Apostolic Succession;
     3. History of Saints and Holiness, and;
     4. Lives currently being transformed by the Gospel.

     I don’t know for absolute certain that this is an exhaustive list, but it’s something Trad Christians are all apparently on the same page about.

   • Sulla (sulla_felix@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:44:09 JST Sulla

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     • somemightsay
     @Escoffier @somemightsay Yeah, well, that doesn't mean every person's home just did what they wanted, see?
     
     Anyway, the Catholics are about as corrupt and degenerate as the Protestant churches who reacted to the corruption and degeneracy, as your struggle to find a "living church" would suggest. Except with them, you get all the corruption and degeneracy but no valid Eucharist.
     
     But you could always go Orthodox if the specter of popery haunted you so much.
   • Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:44:09 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     • Sulla
     • somemightsay
     @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay Another way to put this is the clear teaching of the letters in revelation is that there are consequences up to the point of having their lampshades removed for sin. Why do you think the Catholic churches lampshades weren't removed for gross and ongoing sin?
   • James_Dixon (james_dixon@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:44:09 JST James_Dixon

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     • somemightsay
     @Escoffier @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay > Why do you think the Catholic churches lampshades weren't removed for gross and ongoing sin?
     
     Well, this is pure guesswork. I cannot know the mind of God.
     
     But my guess would be that while the leadership was corrupt the local parishes were still performing the duties Christ wanted: Performing the sacraments and teaching the Gospel.
     
     I don't think that's the case now. I think the majority of all the clergy in all the mainstream denominations have been corrupted and no longer teach the true Gospel. If you can find one who isn't that's great, but recognize that he's either going to be in a small denomination outside the mainstream or he's fighting an almost certainly losing battle against his own superiors.
   • Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:45:11 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     • ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
     • Sulla
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     • somemightsay
     @KingOfWhiteAmerica @James_Dixon @Sulla_Felix @somemightsay Imho what is needed are Bibles, believers and a place to sit. Beverages are optional.
   • Sulla (sulla_felix@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 06:45:12 JST Sulla

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     • ☦️KingOfWhiteAmerica☦️
     • James_Dixon
     • somemightsay
     @Escoffier @KingOfWhiteAmerica @James_Dixon @somemightsay Literally every single Christian believed otherwise for 1,500 years, but you've got it figured out.
     
     So fucking tiresome.