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1. minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:10:22 JST minute

   for security reasons i'm hesitant to design a microphone into MNT Reform Next. and for a call i would rather use a clip-on or bluetooth headset mic. what's your take on this?

   • ElectronicAcorn (electronicacorn@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:15:03 JST ElectronicAcorn

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     @mntmn unless it has a hardware switch, agree to no hardwired microphone.

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:27:45 JST minute

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     • gkrnours

     @gkrnours the camera is already a removable module

   • gkrnours (gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:27:46 JST gkrnours

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     @mntmn would a module slot, like framework do, for camera/microphone/both/something else would be doable?
     This would let you not just disconnect the camera/mic with a switch but physically remove them or other option like having a better camera with a light ring that doesn't fit in the edge of the screen and carry in a separate pouch

   • lina (lina@uwu.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:27:58 JST lina

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     @mntmn i'm no apple fanboy but this is 20eur https://www.istores.sk/produkt/apple-earpods-with-remote-and-mic-2229363
     simple stupid boring cheap and it's pretty awesome

   • lina (lina@uwu.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:27:59 JST lina

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     @mntmn most often built in mics arent so good(in general, except on tablets and phones) , i rather use a dedicated one via jack/usb-c/bluetooth just so the quality will be better
     i'm coming to this as i use a pretty expensive normie laptop with good sound stuff. for cameras it's the same way, i rather just connect my phone camera to my laptop then run OBS with virtual camera so the image would look better(+i dont have a camera on my laptop too). and i can place it anywhere. if you do in fact put a mic inside MNTRN then please put a mic mute button shortcut on the keyboard(firmware) or a hardware dip switch

   • mcc (mcc@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:43:25 JST mcc

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     @mntmn when using a laptop, I find it overwhelmingly most convenient to plug in headphones and speak to the mic in the laptop. However
     1. I don't know if I'd expect the same things of the Reform as other devices, due to eg form factor.
     2. I do own a bluetooth headset, and
     3. Half the time I wind up plugging in an external mic anyway for sound quality…
     I find the "mics are a threat" point compelling, so I don't know what I'd recommend.

   • Morgan Aldridge (morgant@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 00:53:04 JST Morgan Aldridge

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     @mntmn Agreed! USB/bluetooth/analog mics are a much better option in my mind. That said, I'm an #OpenBSD user and audio/video recording is disabled at the kernel level, so it's _less_ -- though still not none! -- of an issue for me.

   • Daniel aka CyReVolt 🐢 (cyrevolt@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 02:58:23 JST Daniel aka CyReVolt 🐢

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     @mntmn I just use USB mics anyway.
     Most laptop integrated mics are... not that great. 😬

   • Steinar Bang (steinarb@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 04:34:40 JST Steinar Bang

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     @mntmn Well if it isn't there, it can't be highjacked.

     On the other hand it would be nice not to have to rely on an external thing to be able to do a video conversation.

     (So I guess... I'm not really helpful here...?)

   • Islamic Audiobooks Central (islamicaudiobooks@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 17:36:15 JST Islamic Audiobooks Central

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     @mntmn Agreed - waste of resources and efforts. People who won't ever use it will still need to cover the added cost. Plus most people already have surveillance devices with mics, cameras and plenty of other sensors.

   • wickedshell (wickedshell@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 00:03:39 JST wickedshell

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     @mntmn I feel like usually once there's a webcam there's an expectation of a microphone. While I agree with the opinions that external microphones are better they're not always available, and internal microphone and speakers have been very important to save me in the past when I didn't have a normal headset for some reason. I strongly agree with the opinions about real kill switches though for both the camera and microphone.

   • Benis (b3nis@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 24-Aug-2024 03:02:42 JST Benis

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     @mntmn , I agree on no mic. I guess most people use headset for calls anyway? Camera with kill-switch is very nice tho (saw your other post). I prefer using a headset, but I don’t want to carry around a webcam.

   • minute (mntmn@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:23:37 JST minute

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     • ЯƎB00T

     @reboot very interesting thread. yes, the camera is a hardware module that is an option you have to explicitly choose, and which can be physically removed.

   • ЯƎB00T (reboot@www.librepunk.club)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:23:42 JST ЯƎB00T

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     @mntmn I see multiple people talking about switches but you need to keep things in mind like accidental switching, intentional switching by others, switches breaking or for some inexplicable reason (temporarily) not working (https://forums.puri.sm/t/is-the-hardware-switch-really-just-a-software-switch/23846), forgetting to switch back,... If you would decide to put it into the device I would at the very least make it easily removable.