@adam
In regards to podspeeding. I find many of the clips irritating. Nothing you have done wrong, I just can't stand these people in the clips. I know that I need to hear crap they are spewing. Speeding up the podcast helps me get past the idiot part quicker. Kinda like, when I was a kid, I would eat the broccoli as quickly as possible, so it's out of the way.
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Sir MarK Ultra [FL☀️] (moshguy@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:26:44 JST ![Sir MarK Ultra [FL☀️]](https://social.076.moe/avatar/12107-48-20230130214736.gif)
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Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:26:42 JST 
Jeff Cliff
Podcasts are not just a replacement for radio. They are a replacement for video games, music(including CDs, vinyl, 8 tracks, etc), and movies.
You have to choose whether or not you listen to #noagenda or watch a disney movie. You could, theoretically do both at once but it's hard. And virtually impossible if you listen to noagenda at 2.5x speed if you want to actually understand what they are saying. It's a complementary good/service. And as such, it's competitive -- noagenda is more important, to me, to listen to, than disney movies and any chance I'm given to choose between 'noagenda' and 'disney movie' i will choose the former, even though the latter really did have a lot more put into its production.
It's not all negative: there are positives to hiphop/metalcore , along with negatives. It's cheaper, in every sense of the word. Sometimes, though, cheaper is better -- the thing that is cheap, available, and hits the need in question (whether for entertainment, information, historical value or otherwise) is good. -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:26:42 JST 
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> there are positives to hiphop/metalcore
IMHO, no. It's just moronic music for moronic people. It dumbs down music itself. I am more certain of this in regard to metalcore.
How did we go from Discharge to Eskimo Callboy in thirty years? Decline.
In my estimation, most people who listen to podcasts do it while doing something else, like video games or crucifixion or something.
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≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:26:43 JST
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Sounds like the problem is that most podcastings are rambling messes that need editors.
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Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:26:43 JST
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this is like saying people 'need' to consume propaganda
there's room in the world for podcasts that are just people rambling
but the main problem is people aren't talking to eachother irl as much as they could, and podcasts are a poor replacement -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:26:43 JST
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Last paragraph: agreed people need to talk to each other more.
Podcasts are a replacement for radio.
People rambling reduces the quality that is expected, sort of like hip-hop and metalcore did to music.
That is a negative effective, sort of like pop culture itself.
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≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:38:22 JST
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The NA troll room is a great example of multitasking.
Listen to the podcast while chatting.
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Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:38:22 JST
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right: and NA troll room people, if they are listening to NA, aren't also listening to music or watching at that moment probably -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:38:22 JST
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Right, this is the point I am making: they treat it as a replacement for radio.
You cannot really both watch television and listen to a radio.
You can listen to a radio and work, shitpoast, play video games, smoke a pipe, or something of that nature.
This is why I see it as a replacement for radio.
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≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:38:23 JST
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I wish I knew a way to get more data on this.
I know a lot of our pipe smokers like to listen to podcasts while shitpoasting and smoking a pipe.
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Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:38:23 JST
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sure
but they don't smoke a pipe, listen to a podcast *and* watch TV at the same time -
Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:38:24 JST
Jeff Cliff
sure
but they don't listen to music at the same time, or have the tv on at the same time, or watch movies at the same time, or play video games at the same time.
i mean maybe they do but very few
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Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:52:13 JST
Jeff Cliff
it is a replacement for radio, for sure
it's also a replacement for other things (to a lesser extent)
and with podcasts there's going to be temptations to increase the amount of focus given
1) when one starts googling claims made to follow along in the podcast...it becomes the predominant focus with the hands and computer being preoccupied, similarly with trollboxes -- your eyes begin to be brought into what would be an audio medium
2) when you gain the ability to control the speed at which you listen, you can optimize for speed, as i do, and start occupying the use of your mind, and ears fully
3) podcasts can be remixed and cut up by their listeners -- the remixing, too, takes time, focus, and your ears to do.
while 1&3 (and to a lesser extent 2) was possible with legacy radio...podcasts lend themselves to it moreso, and as such are in competition with attention with more things.
video games you can obv play with podcasts in the background, but at a certain point you gotta choose to focus either on what's being said or the game
one thing i'm learning as i age, is the older you get the less you have the ability to focus generally -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 01:52:13 JST
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Now that is an interesting question.
I would argue that the older you get, the more you are able to focus... but also the more you eliminate distractions.
Depth of focus and breadth of analysis become more important.
Young people, God/gods bless 'em, tend to be able to do a lot at once but never get too deeply into any of it.
The exceptions make great works and sometimes die early because there is nothing left for them to achieve.
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≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:08:18 JST
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @adam @moshguy
I believe in the necessity of copyrights and trademark.
If you want people to care about something, they have to own it.
Many open source people "own" their software at an emotional and intellectual level, and produce good stuff.
The standard does not, which is why most of what we use is still free market developed.
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Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:08:19 JST 
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@amerika @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff But think about how cool it would be to go into Benihana and order in Japanese! You'd blow that Filipino waiter's mind!!! -
Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:08:19 JST
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at the cost of legitimizing copyrighted media? not worth it -
Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:08:20 JST
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@jeffcliff @amerika @adam @moshguy If I had 30+ minutes a day free to sit around and listen to something, i'd listen to those Pimsleur CDs that teach you a foreign language instead of some fat dweebs whining about politics. -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:08:20 JST
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@caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
Probably depends on the quality of the political discussion...
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≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:28:32 JST
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
I disagree here. First, a literary concept is not protected by copyright, although characters and specific works are.
Second, property does not require scarcity; it is about control of the future of the property.
With literature, getting paid to create and then having authority over the future of those creations is important.
In a society where no one got paid to write, you would have more literature... almost all of it trash.
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:spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:28:33 JST 
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I don't think this is true, there's plenty of data to suggest that works under copyright often end up being neglected and don't get distributed as widely as works out of copyright.
A particularly good example is the John Carter series, roughly half the books are public domain, the other half are still under copyright. Guess which half is easier to get your hands on.
Anyhow, it's questionable whether "intellectual property" should be called property at all since it doesn't have the same charactaristics that define actual property.
Property is defined by rivalrousness (only one person can use it at a time) and scarcity (there isn't enough for everyone). Land is property because if I build a farm on a stretch of land then you can't build one there and there isn't enough farmland for everyone who wants it.
By contrast a literary concept is not rivalrous, two people can work off it and consume it at the same time, and it's not scarce, copies are easily made and there's no limit to how many we can have. -
Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:56:22 JST
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to give an example:
in 2011, around the time of the noagendas that i'm listening to rn, i was working but was only a couple paycheques away from a time when i was having issues affording food consistently.
I was given a choice : I could sign a contract that had huge penalties for getting fired, sleeping in would likely get me fired, and staying up late practicing with my band would likely lead to sleeping in
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quit the band
i chose the later, because i really was worried about having enough to eat. I had signed that contract to get out of poverty, and it worked, but it still meant less music in practice. ie when it comes down to 'fix starvation or music' fix starvation wins in practice.
Could i have pushed forward with music? Sure. There wasn't really a market that would have paid, though, and it would have ended poorly. Copyright wouldn't have helped, either - it was more likely to burn us (as a small band, that played copyrighted works without protection from the protection racket that is copyright, we would have wound up paying, rather than making money on our performances)
Could we have made our own music? Sure. But then we'd be blocked by venues(who are pressured by copyright monopolities to restrict competition), like I am now, even if our music was any good. -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:56:23 JST
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @adam @moshguy
I support piracy in some contexts as the best way to spread new music, but I think part of that is stepping outside the market entirely and filtering out lazy people that way.
Ownership has many levels. Some is emotional and intellectual, but people have to eat, so financial self-interest is a powerful motivator.
I think most people use copyright-restricted material for two reasons: (a) a lot of it is better and (b) most just imitate others.
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Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:56:23 JST
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> but people have to eat
Yeah, but at the same time if your culture is still struggling with basics like "having enough to eat" chances are pretty good you're failing at other things, and probably don't have access to generally useful copying devices. It's such a waste of human potential that we even have to worry about this at all in discussions like this. -
Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:56:24 JST
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> If you want people to care about something, they have to own it.
'own' is being conflated between legal 'owning' and 'owning' as in caring about.
to care about is to own open source software under your control
copyright should only exist to keep people from restricting access to culture (ie as a mechanism for copyleft) if even that much
> which is why most of what we use is still free market developed.
most people use copyright-restricted material because, until recently, most of them haven't had access to a general purpose copying device allowing them to replicate it, and fewer people have thought about the implications of owning such a device
Once you have everyone in the world with the ability to replicate mp3s at will, and at virtually no cost...copyright on audio files was no longer a regulation of manufacturers, record companies and professionals -- it was an infringement on *all* human beings with sufficient access to culture and technology. Any ownership right that frustrated the ability of *all* people to share in audio files is inherently globally harmful and only locally beneficial. Same with any ownership right that regulated what kinds of remixes were allowable, etc etc down the list of such 'ownership' rights -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 02:56:45 JST
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Speaking from the metal experience...
Your early works are unlikely to make any profit. Venues do not care if you are copyrighted, only that you are signed which is a proxy for "will bring in audience."
Once you have done three albums, you have probably exhausted yourself, creatively. Having residuals coming in already lets you take a break if you can live cheaply.
If you hit the real jackpot, and become an important band, you retire on those.
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≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:28:12 JST
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
Look how devastating the democratization of authorship has been already.
Tons of books, almost none of any quality.
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Caek Islove 🍰 ❤️ (caekislove@gleasonator.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:28:13 JST
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@amerika @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff What came first? Dumb bitches being the only people who read novels or novels being written being so shitty that only dumb bitches would ever read them? I was on a plane trip a few years back and the only thing I had to read was a copy of Fifty Shades of Grey that I stole from my mom and goddamn I never wished so hard for a plane crash in my life. -
≠ (amerika@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Wednesday, 08-Mar-2023 04:28:17 JST
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@caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff
Fifty Shades was a trend, like Tom Clancy was back in the day.
The bigger problem is that there are no really good books, and most books are spoon-feeding for morons.
It is impossible to blame women for this.
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