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@Deplorable_Degenerate @amerika @dcc @thegreatape @gnarley_boot @andreas i can't get even close to tolerable gibs because i live in eastern europe. my black friends i knew from the states i dont think had gibs they just struggled alot. i knew a few whites and mexicans on welfare though
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@amerika @dcc @Deplorable_Degenerate @thegreatape @gnarley_boot @andreas yeah, though i personally would support some level of it to have a (crappy but livable) baseline of life even if these weren't a problem. while traditionally it was less needed because of the societal and family structures, there's always exceptions, abusive families, death, shit like that where say the woman would have to go out early. in a society where woman aren't expected to work thats some pretty undue challenges. while traditional structure is much better than systematic gibs its not an absolute so definitely i'd like there to be some form of options. but yeah something abusable you just coast on without a valid reason is insane. if anything, my personal opinion is that a land value tax should be used to pay for a basic livable income and then all further spending is adjusted based on whats left over. or you could do that land value - taxes and then give whatevers left over but that seems like an easy way to overstep into horrible tax expenditures and give nobody shit
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@maija @dcc @Deplorable_Degenerate @thegreatape @gnarley_boot @andreas
The math is more complicated, but my idea is more direct: reduce cost of living.
No UBI, no taxes, no bureaucratic overhead.
Then again, I grew up in a town where you could work a week a month and afford to live.
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@maija @dcc @Deplorable_Degenerate @thegreatape @gnarley_boot @andreas
Gibs are a product of excess wealth and working women, IMHO.
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@amerika @dcc @Deplorable_Degenerate @thegreatape @gnarley_boot @andreas yeah but reducing cost of living is easier said than done in a free market economy. (course planned have their own issues, i'd support price fixing over necessities and otherwise having a free market). i think the land value tax is a good way to do so because generally land and housing is the highest cost for many people, certainly for me. killing the investment value of simply posessing land and doing nothing with it is a pretty good way of dropping those, it's implementations all tend to work quite well at dropping the cost of living hard
so i guess i have the same answer just different primary approach
Maija (SPW Arc)
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