Conversation
Notices
-
@dubbub @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle I used to think the same thing, but after reading more about the Eastern Front and the Lend Lease program it becomes obvious that the Soviet Union had no chance without Allied; mostly American, help. Without American aid the Soviets would have been reduced to an infantry army operating from beyond the Ural mountains. For just one example, without American trucks and oil the Soviets would have not be able to conduct large scale offensive maneuvers like Operation Uranus. Meaning the 6th Germany army would have not been encircled. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Uranus
-
@dubbub @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle Where are you getting this data?
-
@Polfusilier @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle From anywhere you wish.
-
@dubbub @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle Did you read the pages I posted? The Soviet were literally given millions of tons of materials. 580,000 miles of telephone line, 420,000 tons of petroleum products, 19.34 million tons of leather, 5000 tons of armor plate per month, 2.1 million barrels of aviation fuel, etc. They were shipped entire factories from the U.S.
-
@Polfusilier @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle I already told you, it arrived when the war was already decided. I was also only a fraction of what the Soviets produced themselves, graph related (the Lend-Lease foods were <1%).
-
@Polfusilier @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle You don't really need trucks. German infantry divisions operated with horse-drawn carriages. Lend-Lease provided radios f.e., but the Soviets already had telephones and signal flags. It smoothed things over, but the majority of Soviet warfighting equipment (+90%) was produced by the Soviets themselves. 84% of all Lend-Lease also only arrived from 1943 onwards, when the war was already decided. The failure of Barbarossa in 1941 doomed Germany to a grind-war that it didn't have the logistics to fight.
-
@dubbub @HyperboreanWave @Jean_Philippe_Micheaux @Elliptica @plotinus_enjoyer @BowsacNoodle Well, actually sources I can actually find don't agree with it.
ww2data.com/ussr-production-versus-lend-lease-support/
Polfusilier :njp: :sonnenrad: :windmill_of_friendship: :pondering_orb:
dubbub :windmill_of_friendship: ☦️
All ０７６萌ＳＮＳ content and data are available under the