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1. Sora Vu (soravu@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jun-2024 08:30:43 JST Sora Vu
   >unreadable
   >boss attacks oneshot kill
   >uninterrupted long combo string
   >long wait times between combos
   >player does low damage
   
   The problem here is readability and the uninterrupted combo string, this frustrates people more than being oneshot by a boss.
   
   Ninja Gaiden bosses can oneshot you and unless the camera is sperging out, it's fair because it's readable and you're able to learn from it, also the boss combo string doesn't take 5 minutes to finish.
   
   DMC's later entries has a difficulty option to be killed in oneshot from both enemies and bosses, because everything is readable it's fair and again boss combo strings don't go on and on for 5 minutes.
   
   Majority of the problems come from the art direction, everything kind of blurs in to a grey mush. NG and DMC at least attempt to make the boss easy to see and follow.
   
   Nobeta ironically excels at this better than souls, the color contrast between the boss design and the arena the boss is in makes the boss easily readable so even if you do get oneshot it feels fairer since the telegraphs are more obvious.
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   • Rehn (rehnsturm256@shota.house)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jun-2024 08:31:03 JST Rehn

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     @soravu yeah even Demons Souls long ago established this but had fewer moves like he said. You couldn’t actually learn the boss with the damage you receive from them, so you either overlevel just to learn the movesets and by that point the boss is trivialized, or you throw yourself against it continuously but the immense grind just running to the boss didn’t merit the reward of experimentation when you’re one-shot again.

     Hollow Knight, which tries to take parts of inspiration from Souls games, does something better imo by making enemies hit for set amounts of damage so you can learn more about the boss in one sitting :blobfoxswitch:

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   • Immahnoob (immahnoob@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Jun-2024 08:40:22 JST Immahnoob

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     @soravu :kekw: The level 99 bosses doing pirouettes around you while you, a filthy small little level 1 goblin prick them with a dirk made out of the femur of your last body, that when you're not trying to run away from the next nuclear explosion and earthquake that will destroy the lands and usher them in endless darkness.