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1. Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:11:54 JST Thorwegian ❄️

   i thought EU regulations for egg expiration dates were only a little stricter than necessary, but as it turns out, there's a dramatic difference:

   the EU rules say to set an expiration date 28 days after roosting.

   Norwegian egg manufacturers say that ours are actually good for up to 4 months.

   reason for the difference?

   most of the world struggles with salmonella in their eggs. Norway does not, so our eggs last a lot longer.

   i had no idea the difference was so drastic. i can basically add about 2-3 months to the expiration date and still be safe.

   i had plans of pickling eggs to preserve them for longer, but there isn't much practical need to do that when they can be kept for months anyway, so it would be more of a flavour thing in that case...

   • Flick 🇬🇧 (flick@spinster.xyz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:11:53 JST Flick 🇬🇧

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     @thor I used to keep ducks.

     Unrefrigerated and unwashed, eggs are reliably good for about three or four months. Any older and I would start to break them open into a separate container, just in case, but the majority will still be fine. Refrigerated, probably another couple of months.

     It does depend what you’re using them for, though. The shell is porous, so the liquid inside will gradually evaporate. If you’re poaching them, you want them to be as fresh as possible. If you’re baking a cake, old eggs are fine.

     There’s a good chance someone will bring up the float test, where you put the egg in a cup of water and see if it floats or sinks. This is a good guide to the age of the egg (more liquid evaporates -> bigger air pocket in egg -> egg floats) but tells you absolutely nothing about whether or not it is rotten / bad. Plus, it damages the bloom on the egg so you have to use it pretty much straight away to avoid bacteria getting in (see above discussion re: washing/refrigerating eggs in the US).

     Personally, I think pickled eggs are vile. If you really want to preserve them long-term, consider waterglassing.

   • Flick 🇬🇧 (flick@spinster.xyz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:12:05 JST Flick 🇬🇧

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     @thor Oh, and if you are refrigerating them then don’t put them in that stupid holder thing in the fridge door. The temperature fluctuations as you open and close it reduce the shelf life of eggs. Those things only exist because the designers were looking for clever uses of the space.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:14:50 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @tyil @icedquinn @thor the shell is porous already but the birds paint a think waxy film on that is removed when cleaning. It's quite amusing that without intervention they stay clean internally far longer than once we "clean" the outside
   • tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:14:52 JST tyil

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     @icedquinn@blob.cat @thor@berserker.town iirc correctly, they are required by law to "clean" the eggs, and this cleaning process makes the shell porous, allowing the egg inside to become a breeding grounds for all sorts of bacteria, including salmonella.

   • iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta: (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:14:54 JST iced quinnsmas :blobcatsanta:

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     @thor euros also don't refrigerate their eggs, whereas americans do (and we have to because they do some shit to the eggs that renders them shelf unstable)
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:20:26 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @cjd @thor @icedquinn @tyil vaccinate against salmonella? That seems strange. As I understand it salmonella is just part of their gut biome the same way we regularly carry Clostridioides and staph.
   • cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:20:27 JST cjd

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     I think European farmers vaccinate their chickens against salmonella and American farmers don't. Also yes, the eggs are not washed as they are in the US, so you occasionally see a little bit of shit and/or feather stuck to one. Salmonella outbreaks are unheard of. Most eggs are not refrigerated at the store, some are.
     
     t. Live in France.
   • tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:21:28 JST tyil

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     @thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @thor@berserker.town Americans shooting themselves in the foot over and over is kind of the norm, though. It would be more amusing if it didn't cause so much shit all across the rest of the world.

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:21:35 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil a lot of stuff about retail food isn't rational and is more about presentability

     lots of perfectly edible fruit and veg is discarded because customers don't wanna buy ugly ones

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:22:33 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil we're working past that. Once they've convinced enough people bugs are food the presentation layer can be dropped.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:24:06 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @tyil @icedquinn I try to buy local as much as I can and the little guys aren't wasting tons of fruit and veg to hide the ugly stuff. It's mainly corporate outfits doing that
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:24:07 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @tyil @icedquinn @thatguyoverthere some of the generic brand veggies are obviously the "ugly" ones that got sorted out, but i buy those, so eh

   • tyil (tyil@fedi.tyil.nl)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:24:09 JST tyil

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     @thor@berserker.town @thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club @icedquinn@blob.cat We've had some initiatives to sell the "ugly" veggies for cheap here, and I used to always buy those when I could. But after I moved, I couldn't find any stores nearby doing this, so now I am occasionally required to buy individually plastic wrapped veggies even though it's fucking stupid to package them in the first place.

   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:24:17 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil i think i'll probably go to the grave without having (deliberately) eaten any bugs. i'm old fashioned, okay?

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:25:05 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil yeah I raise my own birds so I can feed my bug ration to them in exchange for eggs
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:25:20 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil difficult to buy local when you live in the middle of a city. there are farmer's markets but they know to charge a premium for that. the gentry pays extra for "genuine" and "organic" stuff.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:26:52 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil yeah cities are a different environment. I used to live in a bigger city and when we could we'd drive an hour to a farmers market for grocery because it's just better than the food at the big grocery and honestly probably cheaper when bought direct (excepting the premium when it's brought to you vs you going to them).
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:29:31 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil there might be a difference between farmer's markets in the city vs farmer's markets in the countryside. i'd have to go by train to check. but if i buy from the supermarket, that stuff is subsidised. the chains aren't paying the real cost.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:32:41 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil I know over here if you want to eat rabbit or duck in NYC you can but your paying 80 a plate while if you go to a little butcher on the side of the road in Podunk wv you might find rabbit ready to cook for 1/10th of what you pay in the city.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:33:08 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil anything produced in Norway will have a big Norwegian flag on it with the phrase "Nyt Norge" - Enjoy Norway - because this is what the government wants and what the farmers want

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:33:09 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil we have all these subsidies and customs barriers in place to make it possible to even competitively produce food in Norway. in terms of the free market, what would make more sense is to just import everything from abroad.

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil I also know people who sell food in the city specifically because they can charge more. Cities produce little to no food on their own so food is valued higher than at the source where it tends to be more plentiful.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:36:01 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil i've found some immigrant butcher shops even here in Oslo where i can pick up ground beef at much lower prices than at the supermarket, but you gotta buy more than just a 400g pack.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:36:18 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil buying bulk meats is almost always going to be a better valur
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:36:28 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil for some goods, the immigrant shops seem to have the better deals and the better quality. not always, but for certain types of goods.

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:38:59 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil so as a city dweller, if you want to optimise for price and quality, you really gotta shop around

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil yeah where I live now we don't have a lot of stores that aren't either corporate or generational, but I think densely packed foreign owned stores are something not entirely uncommon in our cities here either. I used to have a bunch of little shops like that where I lived a decade or so ago.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:46:26 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil the immigrant shops tend to be much more densely packed with goods than the supermarkets are. they're much more cramped because they're packing so many options in there, so it can be hard to walk around at times. but they have so much more to pick from.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:56:06 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil here where I live the funny little shops exist but many are owned by people who have had family in the area for 3 or 4 generations. We also have a lot of hipsters from the city with money that open shops but those are fancy and tend to be more expensive. We do have several foreign owned restaurants which have good food.
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:56:07 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil cities tend to have more "funny little shops" - one of the things that help make them interesting - in rural areas, at least here in Norway, such little shops aren't too common.

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     @thor @icedquinn @tyil in a lot of rural area here the local businesses closed when big box stores undercut them
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 27-Feb-2023 21:57:19 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere @icedquinn @tyil if you go to some random small town here, you're likely to just find a bunch of chains - not a lot of people starting their own completely independent businesses

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     @thor
     A bold claim
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