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1. cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 10:20:00 JST cjd
   Does anyone have direct evidence that ANY vaccine is effective? Perhaps like rabies shot in dogs?
   
   Direct evidence = ideally, logical construction from assumptions that anyone can observe for themselves. E.g. cryptography is secure because if it wasn't, someone would have stolen all the bitcoin already.
   
   Barring that, personal experiences are useful.
   
   Don't give me "there's a paper" nonsense. Replication crisis, most science is fake.
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 10:19:54 JST d

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     • Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov ⭐⭐⭐ 🇦🇷
     @Ivan_Ivanovich @cjd the polio vaccine was rolled out on the downward slope of infections, well after peak
     
     also there was the minor incident where incorrectly produced vaccines infected loads of children with polio
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   • Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov ⭐⭐⭐ 🇦🇷 (ivan_ivanovich@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 10:19:58 JST Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov ⭐⭐⭐ 🇦🇷

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     • d
     @deprecated_ii @cjd What about polio? Was it already clearly on the way down when the vaccine came out, or did the latter help?
   • d (deprecated_ii@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 10:19:59 JST d

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     @cjd smallpox is the only really good example of success that I know of
   • Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks (washedoutgundampilot@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 10:20:21 JST Woggy's Zeonic Frolicks

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     • d
     • Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov ⭐⭐⭐ 🇦🇷

     @deprecated_ii @Ivan_Ivanovich @cjd IIRC there’s a theory that it’s also taking credit for the downslide of DDT usage on produce