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:sm64_d: :sm64_i: :sm64_e: :sm64_l: :sm64_a: :sm64_n: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:00:04 JST :sm64_d: :sm64_i: :sm64_e: :sm64_l: :sm64_a: :sm64_n:
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@coolboymew @Hoss @RustyCrab @rher I think much like reddit, google thinks YouTube has hit this critical mass where its own brainwashed users inherently reject all viable alternatives. There's always something wrong with it like its only used by edgelords who are banned from their site, or some other excuse that doesn't hold up to reality

So they'll keep squeezing and the creators and viewers will just accept it, just like reddit

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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:00:04 JST xianc78
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  @dielan @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss @coolboymew Odysee is probably the closest to a viable YouTube alternative because there are a few non-political Youtubers on there unlike Bitchute where it's 90% culture war and conspiracy shit. Though their future still seems uncertain after the company behind LBRY shut down. It seems like they are now switching to a different blockchain because of it.
  
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- cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:00:05 JST cool_boy_mew
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  @Hoss @RustyCrab @rher Youtube losing it's #1 spot is potentially exciting because no matter what, Google has never gave a single shit about the users (and creators) and absolutely never will
  
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- Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:00:06 JST Hoss Delgado
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  I'm thinkin' the reason Google is shitting up YouTube has something to do with the fact that they ruined every other Google product that was actually profitable over the past ~5 years.
  
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- Rusty Crab (rustycrab@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:00:07 JST Rusty Crab
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  @rher @Hoss At the very least, they would have pulled this ad injection stuff a lot sooner. Instead they lost billions per year in order to keep it as appealing as possible to everyone. I assume if the primary motive was profit they would do like X where they've largely shut it off to public consumption and just made it a paypig club.
  
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- :sm64_d: :sm64_i: :sm64_e: :sm64_l: :sm64_a: :sm64_n: (dielan@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:09:02 JST :sm64_d: :sm64_i: :sm64_e: :sm64_l: :sm64_a: :sm64_n:
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  @xianc78 they make it sound like the next version is just Peertube with crypto. I'm not confident in their plan. Might be good tho
  
  @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss @coolboymew
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:09:02 JST xianc78
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  @dielan @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss @coolboymew Crypto-integration is really unnecessary given that you can just post links to crypto wallets anywhere, unless they are talking about crypto ads or being able to access members-only content with it.
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:30:13 JST xianc78
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  @PurpCat @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss
  >It is literally easier to start up a competitor to literally any other social media site for this reason.
  It seems exactly the same with other social media sites.
  * All the Twitter competitors are just the same as the Youtube competitors: either echo-chambers for political dissidents (e.g Gab or Parler) or decentralized protocols that only techies would use, despite it being functionally no different than email.
  * When it comes to Reddit-like sites, there were both Immzy and Voat which are both now defunct and suffered from the same problems as Gab and Bitchute. Otherwise, you have the Lemmy instances which turned out to be an even bigger shitshow than Mastodon.
  * As for Facebook, nobody would ever use a Facebook alternative, because those sites require your IRL friends and family to join. You are better off sticking to email or setting up an SMS group chat for your friends and family.
  * Tumblr seems to have a few alternatives like Pillowfort, but I don't know much about them.
  https://namelessrumia.heliohost.org/w/doku.php?id=tumblr_alternatives
  
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:30:14 JST Pawlicker
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  @Hoss @RustyCrab @rher The other elephant in the room is every competitor to YouTube either ends up branded alt-tech and attracting fringe weirdos (BitChute), dies off due to no money (Vid.me and numerous forgotten names in the halls of internet history like Metacafe), or both (Odysee after the LBRY fiasco).
  
  One of the guys I followed back in the day shitting on the early signs YT was unsustainable had a good point about YouTube. YouTube started with a trick that nobody else can recreate: the site had heavy uploads of copyrighted material and clips from TV shows that lured people in. Then the copyright lawsuits/takedowns hit and Google swept in to buy it. This would start the transition from a creator driven site to a "top dog" driven site, of which people like RWJ, PewDiePie, Shane Dawson, iJustine, and more would dominate the site, with Cosmic Panda and feature removal turning the site away from it's community origins.
  
  Before the Alt-Tech grifters found one way to keep people on your site as a containment site (which came after his videos), Veoh was infamously shut down for this very reason and had a high profile lawsuit.
  
  It is literally easier to start up a competitor to literally any other social media site for this reason.
  
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:30:15 JST Pawlicker
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  @Hoss @RustyCrab @rher The other question is, how do you monetize YouTube? It is the costliest kind of social media site to run overall, compared to every single other social media site on earth because video eats megabytes and they haven't moved to a more efficient codec yet. There's also the fact that aside from adblockers, the site payouts are poor (this is why every fucking YouTuber takes sketchy sponsorships from shit like Betterhelp, which is so tainted that merely accepting their sponsorship will cause the comments to be shitting on them, and moved to the Patreon model).
  
  As much as the mere mention of WebP starts a shitshow, WebP was designed in part to solve this issue with images and WebP images are really fucking tiny. If it wasn't for the "one implementation" issue and a company everyone hates being tied to it, people wouldn't mind it as much.
  
  Also, the streaming site competition was even worse for YouTube because the idiots at Google didn't know what people pay money for. It was bad enough for the Netflix wannabes of the world making slop TV shows nobody wants, but it was a million times worse with YouTube thinking people will pay money to watch MrBeast's reality show level competitions.
  
  Twitter is mostly text posts/images, and aside from paid users short form video.
  
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:30:16 JST Pawlicker
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  @Hoss @RustyCrab @rher the problem with social media is it's unprofitable, but it was like why Jeff Bezos bought a newspaper. It's a great mouthpiece and locus of control.
  
  When you understand that, Elon Musk buying Twitter makes sense. In a way it was also like SomethingAwful where a moderator and heavy user of the site bought the site for the forums. No really. If you go there now it redirects to the forum and the old articles are a click away and unupdated after a trolls remorse post got nuked by LowT/someone else.
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:47:58 JST xianc78
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  @PurpCat @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss Social news sites are nothing new. Reddit is unique in that it allows you to create your own communities within the site. Sites like rDrama are no different than sites like HackerNews, SlashDot, Fark.com, or MachoSucko.
  
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 12:47:59 JST Pawlicker
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  @xianc78 @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss The difference with those sites is it's not a money sink to the same degree, and Reddit's purges led to far more containment sites for specific communities, and unlike imageboards they tend to be far more active.
  
  Take rdrama.net as a prime example. It might as well be "like KF (during the 2010s) but Reddit" but that has a huge community. The same goes with ip2 refugees moving to communities.win.
  https://communities.win/c/IP2Always/
  
  They're not trying to be a normie website like certain alt-tech sites tried to project themselves as, they know their audience, and they are enjoying it.
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 13:00:59 JST Pawlicker
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  @xianc78 @Hoss @RustyCrab @rher Even this mindset spread to sites like rdrama, and /r/drama was like this as well. Here's a random ass rdrama post, where OP reads just like a post on a forum and the replies do too.
  https://rdrama.net/post/276696/word-of-caution-for-aspiring-cs
  
  Treating Reddit like a news aggregator is foolish when the userbase of it, and the former userbase of it did not use it like a news aggregator for the most part. There were even many users there making memes and shitposts, like on a forum. Reddit literally replaced forum culture, only to become the worst of it with automods and [REMOVED] [DELETED].
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  1. Word of caution for aspiring CS majors - [wealthy mom textboard site] :taylorlorenzcrying: :surejan: :fancywithwine:
    
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    > https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/compute...-job-market-7ad443bf > WSJ is reporting what many are already seeing -- market for CS majors is pretty saturated. --- > Are English majors in high demand? >> Actually, yes. The future is bright for humanities majors. >>> For low paying jobs. >>>> I make $300,000. But sure. >> Kids that have actual social skills are in demand more than. Kids that can communicate effectively, look people in the eye when talking, write effectively. Kids with great time management skills and EQ. >> All of these executive functioning disorder/adhd Geniuses glued to a screen, not so much. >>> My husband always tells our HS sons--if you put down the iphone and channel more time in face-to-face and real world you are going to fare so much better than the others of your generation. Set serious limits. >>> Read the 'Anxious Generation'--if nothing else doesn't convince you that tik tok and SM and iphone are dumbing the h*ll out of our kids and making them socially inept IRL. :marseynotes: *anxious generation...* https://i.rdrama.net/images/17184586960253384.webp --- > What market isn't saturated? > Also, this is why it is so hard to get admitted to a CS program -- they aren't expanding the seats to meet student demand unless there is market demand. >> UMD CP actually halved the CS class, but I think that was due to too many students who are not ready for it being interested in it, and wanting to keep the classes more intimate. UMD is also developing its AI/ML programs. >> Job market is cyclical, but low level IT jobs have all been offshored. The big thing now is AI and ML, both of which are related to CS degrees. Some colleges are now starting to offer AI majors. That's the next big thing. >>> Lets push more kids into a technology whose primary benefit is requiring less workers --- > It's good that they're not expanding the seats. My English major found a good high-paying job quite easily out of school, but I know there are not clearly established paths for those majors as there are (or at least used to be) for CS majors. >> Please share firm and $. >>> I won't name the firm but it's a large consulting firm with quantitative focus. Salary is around $90k. I agree with the advice to go to the best school you can get into, do as well as you can in that school, and don't accept the notion that you are limited by your major. My English major also took math, econ, government, etc, so firms knew she could do the work. >>>> Great advice. >>>> And hustle. Wherever you are. >>>> I’ve already help DS [dear son] research the clubs/teams to join at Ivy - will be freshman in fall. >>>> The parenting job doesn’t end once they get in to a top college or program. It shifts and changes. Now they need life & career advice. Show them where to look, questions to ask, clubs to join, people to meet. >>>> I know this is much harder with introverts…. >>>>> Ugh --- > Many CS majors end up with contractors and bouncing from job to job with little job security. > A friend seems to be "off" every few months as they say, looking for a new gig. >> They are probably in lower level jobs or in older tech. My spouse was the same. Luckily, spouse is at the tale end of their career and retiring. --- > This economy sucks --- > I guess people should go into the low paying industries like home health care hospitality instead since that is where the job growth is. --- > Get a liberal arts degree (economics and something soft) from the highest ranked school you can. > Recruiting for finance, consulting, and corporate /strategy roles are much much easier if you are in English and economics major coming from Rice or Vanderbilt or Emory compared to CS at Purdue….. > Ask around people!!! >> lol at this bs > >> Unless you have good connections/networking, that will not help. >> DS [dear son] will graduate from an Ivy, commencement is today, and he is still looking for for a job, as most of his friends who don't have connections. Those with connections have good jobs. >>> Your kid had to join the clubs in schools and network network network…. >>> Nothing lands in your lap. >>>> These "clubs" arent the only way to network. One of my undergrad TAs encouraged me to apply for a job he used to have, since I had mentioned in office hours that I was interested in that subfield and I had a high A in the class. You don't need to golf. >>> >>>> +1. Some seem to think it's not fair when a person gets in the door a job interview due to connections, but you need to work to develop those connections. >>>> Ultimately though, outside of CS, you need a graduate degree if you don't want to hit a hiring ceiling a few years down the road. >> >>> Huh? Why wasn’t your kid networking? It’s a requirement in life….. >>> Social skills people. >>> Golf and tennis…. --- > That's why my kid is double majoring with math. Hoping for options...just in case. --- > Also, 90% of the people who were CS, along with myself in undergrad, moved into other areas like sales or management. Very few spent their career in tech. Some of the best product managers I've met at top Silicon Valley companies started off as Engineers even before going on to business school. --- > My husband is a senior software engineer with a highly specialized skillset; the market for entry-level to low mid-level is extremely saturated and starting salaries are no longer competitive. > Party's over! >> I know! My oldest just graduated from UMDCP and only got 3 offers for over 120k. >>> Nice!! --- > That's why my kid is double majoring with math. Hoping for options...just in case. >> My kid is also a double major in math and CS, but only because they love math. I don't think a math major in and of itself is lucrative. >>> Math connects back to the data science and financial quant side (and goes further "just for fun") --- > This is why we need entrepreneurs to create more of the jobs your kids want. >> We need your kids to be the entrepreneurs! That's what Gates and Zuckerberg and Page did! >>> Being an entrepreneur is too hard for most people. I say this as an owner with 50 employees and $26M in sales last year. People want the success without the risk and pain. Honestly, most people are basic and want a steady paycheck for minimal effort. --- > I mean, my CS major took English and Business classes (straight As). I guess they can do non CS related work, too? >> +1 Our CS major is minoring in creative writing and theater. --- > Very soon the CS degree will be considered obsolete >>> +100 --- > good thing my CS major kid can communicate effectively and look people in the eye (debate team), and write effectively (IB DP grad), as can many other students of other majors, not just English. > English majors aren't in high demand, though. So, it's better to major in STEM or business AND communicate and write effectively. --- > Just returned from a college reunion, and my friends' kids who majored in CS and graduated last year and this year are all un- or under-employed. It seems pretty obvious to me that low-level CS jobs are the first to be gobbled up by AI. If you go to a top school, it truly does not matter what you major in. Most of those kids who want top jobs in tech, finance, consulting will get them. Majoring in something skill-based is more important if you attend even a slightly lower-ranked school. This is why people work so hard to secure spots in the Ivy-plus schools. >> Again the data doesn't agree with your imagination. >> Harvard english major 4 year out median salary = $49,675 >> https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?16602...301&fos_credential=3 > >> This is utter BS. >> You have no idea what you are talking about. --- https://i.rdrama.net/images/17184586962184587.webp oh shit there's 10+ more pages of this shit https://media.giphy.com/media/NGvUvUBkUpKYWwHCoD/giphy.webp
- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 13:00:59 JST xianc78
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  @PurpCat @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss I lurked Reddit a few times back in the early 2010s just to see what it's about. I rarely saw any actual discussion, and for the time, I found much better discussion on actual forums.
  Also, I think Reddit is losing relevance as a hub for discussion thanks to Discord (I honestly see people hosting their communities on there these days).
  
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 13:01:00 JST Pawlicker
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  @xianc78 @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss A lot of people didn't use Reddit as a social news site but as a forum. This is a very important distinction that summarizes why Reddit is nothing like the older websites.
  
  That's what made the creating a community part so important as the site aged. It was no longer about sharing content and news, but also for say asking for help.
  
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- xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 13:04:58 JST xianc78
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  @PurpCat @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss It's nice to see people running forums again.
  
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- Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 13:04:59 JST Pawlicker
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  @xianc78 @RustyCrab @rher @Hoss Discord is also gaining controversy due to it's walled garden model to the point I've seen some move off of it. For example, the chrultrabook guys did this.
  https://forum.chrultrabook.com/
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